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  1. Wandile

    Russian Church creates Exarchate in Africa

    This schism to me is more disastrous than Moscow-Constantinople. Receiving 102 clergymen and starting and exarchate in a land already occupied by Alexandria is a stretch too far by Moscow (especially considering their constant cries about respecting their own canonical territories. The hypocrisy...
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    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    I don’t do any converting. Only God does. I could never credit myself with that.
  3. Wandile

    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    And I entrust you to the care of St Thomas Aquinas and St Gregory Mammas. Happy Easter and May God bless you all.
  4. Wandile

    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    And yet the Western Fathers, by modern methods and scholarship, have been by and large authenticated which is a big problem for the east in these kinds of arguments as their whole argument rests on the sole hope that the western fathers are forged.
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    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    Wait until you investigate the Greeks and their touchy hands. One thing you can give the Latins is they are honest enough to expose their own forgeries. You can’t say the same about the Greeks. They just pretend they don’t exist. Wonderful. Yes, clearly ONLY the Greeks have been duplicitous or...
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    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    And I hold to the Holy Ecumenical Council of Florence, a thing Mark himself acknowledged all throughout the council. Ironically this same Mark came up stuck against the Latins at Florence, a point Besaarion made to his face... that he had been unable provide a response to any of their argument...
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    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    This is just philosophy. You cannot ignore logical nuance because it inconveniences your argument. Ironically something the greeks were very fond of until about the 19th and 20th centuries with the rise of the school of Paris. Its quite a clear teaching. You just seem to want to remain in...
  8. Wandile

    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    I know. That’s exactly what I’m saying. The west does not believe that Holy Spirit is from two ultimate causes. The west has never taught such. St Maximus was explaining the same. There’s no confusion on the wording on my end. I just don’t think you grasping what the west is really teaching...
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    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    This indicates that the alterations are not forgeries but the implementation of a council of which the Irish clearly agreed with. Also the time of implementation of this change is consistent with the wider and increasing use of filioque in the creed by westerners. In fact it quite strongly...
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    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    Of course . The church doesn’t believe this either. The Father is the source of the trinity. "The church." Which "church" would that be, Wandile? As you have been informed several times, only one church on this forum can be referred to as "the church", and that is the Orthodox Church...
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    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    Nobody said this. I don’t know what you’re going on about Porphy. I’m sorry but with the terrible track record that EO have when it comes to alleging forgery on western documents I’ll definitely take this with a huge amount of salt. This same reasoning was used to allege St Gregory’s text on...
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    Did St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, believe in the Filioque?

    If you ignore that the word under discussion here was the Greek word for “proceed” in the creed which means originating/primordial/ultimate causality, then bringing up St Maximus would hold some water. Its amazing that even Mark of Ephesus and Genadios Scholarios admitted that the western...
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    Is Grace created or uncreated ? Another excellent talk

    Substance has many meanings. The way I used it is perfectly fine and accurate. Can you??? What you quoted literally says everything I’m saying.
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    Is Grace created or uncreated ? Another excellent talk

    The effects literaly show that at one time there wasn’t and now there is. Created.
  15. Wandile

    Is Grace created or uncreated ? Another excellent talk

    You’re deliberately missing the point for the sake of polemics. I don’t know how many different ways we have to say this to you. The substance communicated is not created
  16. Wandile

    Is Grace created or uncreated ? Another excellent talk

    It’s been explained quite well in this thread how the grace itself isn’t created. “Created” doesn’t refer to the substance communicated itself. Created grace refers to the effect of God's self-communication within us. In other words, Catholic theology maintains that when uncreated grace, i.e...
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    Is Grace created or uncreated ? Another excellent talk

    Straw man arguments all round against created grace.
  18. Wandile

    Roman Popes and the 7 Ecumenical Councils

    Yeah let’s just ignore the Chalcedonian fathers who in no uncertain words said that their decisions are subject to the approval of St Leo. It’s not sacred writing but damn sure means a lot considering the discussion is how the East saw papal dogmatic authority and these are the fathers of an...
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    Roman Popes and the 7 Ecumenical Councils

    The Chalcedonian fathers explicitly said it themselves.
  20. Wandile

    Roman Popes and the 7 Ecumenical Councils

    Sorry I’ve been a bit busy lately. For a long time after the council Alexandria still had one bishopric just with successive bishops of differing views on Chalcedon. Until the formal split Alexandria were still in the church but on shaky ground due to the volatility of their patriarchs relative...
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