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  1. Aeschere

    Ideas how to spread the faith

    The Orthodox Church by Kallistor Ware could be good. The book that convinced me to convert from Protestantism to Orthodoxy is Rock and Sand by Archpriest Josiah Trenham. Welcome to the Orthodox Church by Frederica Matthewes-Green is a very beginner-toned book.
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    Orthodox funeral and burial

    Hopefully Orthodox funerals in the states will become easier as green funerals become more popular. Fortunately funeral directors aren't required in Arkansas, but you have to be embalmed if you aren't going to be buried within 24 hours, or are going to be transported by train or airplane. 48...
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    The angel guarding the Garden

    I chose the Archangel Uriel as my patron saint, so I was trying to look up traditions about him on the internet. However, it's difficult to tell which ones are actual traditions and which ones are made up by the sort of people who assign certain archangels colors and sigils and stuff. One of...
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    Sorry I haven't replied in so long. I kinda forgot about this because of schoolwork and stuff. Anyway, I really don't understand how you're not arguing for a spiritual or figurative death. When you say that something is dying in a way that isn't included in the normal definition of the word...
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    Here's a new article about linguistics from Rethinking Hell: http://www.rethinkinghell.com/2013/11/the-linguistics-of-final-punishment-making-sense-of-complicated-debates/
  6. Aeschere

    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    Are you saying that the Greeks (and the Hebrews that talked about Hebrew concepts in Greek) had no concept of death (the literal kind that happens when you drown or are caught in an explosion or whatever that results in loss of consciousness) that they had a word for?
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    Why shouldn't it be brought into the discussion? The Second Death is about final punishment, and we're talking about final punishment. If you want to throw out Revelation because it's many metaphors, you'll have to throw out the verses that many ECT proponents consider the most powerful proofs...
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    It's not just the dictionary definition, that's true. But intuition isn't really a good exegesis tool since human feelings are notoriously unreliable. The context should work along with dictionary definition towards the exegesis, not intuition.
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    When you say that the final punishment of the wicked is not literal death but spiritual death, you are saying that the Second Death isn't really a second death at all, since the unsaved were dead in that sense all along. Remember when I said "Even though the Bible sometimes compares those...
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    I wasn't talking about that when I was talking about Paul and metaphorical death. I was talking about when he was saying a sinful woman was "dead" in her sins. How would you answer my objection about how in your view, the Second Death wouldn't be "second" at all?
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    Remember how one of its most important meanings (or maybe the most important meaning) of the word is to die literally?
  12. Aeschere

    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    If by the root meaning you mean the meanings of the roots taken separately, then combined ["apo" (away from), "ollumi" (destroy) which comes from the base "olethros" (destruction resulting in death), right?], that doesn't really matter. The only things that really matter as far as the meaning is...
  13. Aeschere

    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    @Rufus I'm a little confused. Why won't the metaphysical system I am thinking within preclude annihilation?
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    I'm not sure that he's assuming that death implies annihilation.  He is just saying that if we look at the context, it is extremely unlikely that apollumi would mean "lost" or "ruined," and that the meaning that is left to us is the one that refers to literal death.  (I also don't see how he...
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    What do you know, my computer crashed, too, LBK.  It was a good thing, though, since I was spending way too much time on the internet. Anyway, I have to prepare for a retreat before my next class, but I don't want to wait until after the weekend to respond.  It seems like everyone is getting...
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    Two can play at this game, though for now I'll just ask you why you think I'm an eisegete.  Scripture says that eternal life is a gift of God only for the righteous, and though I'll agree that scripture doesn't say that eternal life is only eternal existence (it's also communion with God...
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    Wow, there's been a lot of replies since I last checked in.  Was I really gone that long?
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    I don't understand what you're trying to say. Those were the standard definitions of "life" and "death." I don't really see the problem here... A hermeneutic is considered good if it takes into consideration context, the standard meaning of a word, other possible meanings of a word, and word...
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    Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

    Yes. You need to be able to interpret scripture to understand what it says. If you don't know what scripture says, you can't know if it's contradicting anything. ...You seem to be suggesting that basing philosophies and doctrines off scripture is bad... Life is consciousness, ability to grow...
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