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    Western vestments - lace cottas and more

    Once upon a time conservative Anglo-Catholics bowed to a bishop as they processed in to church and genuflected and kissed their ring/hand.  I wonder if that has died out? My only comment about the people is that the piety is great to see - although women with uncovered hair is something that one...
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    Western vestments - lace cottas and more

    The strength of Orthodoxy i.e. Eastern Orthodoxy lies in the unbroken patristic and apostolic succession, in liturgical continuity and the validity of all our sacraments.  The West lost this  - period.  I agree that Western Christian tradition continued, albeit separated from the Church, outside...
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    Western vestments - lace cottas and more

    The 13th century is post Great Schism which makes all those vestments irrelevant. Given that Orthodoxy makes adjustment for cultures and nations, what is so wrong with lace and fiddleback chasubles both of which have hundreds of years use in the Western heterodox Latin use and thus have far more...
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    Western vestments - lace cottas and more

    I agree.  Lace and fiddleback  chasubles are arguably better than speculative recreations of pre-Schism styles especially ye olde Sarum
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    What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Novus Ordo Mass?

    n the Early Church the catechumenate was long and rigorous and the penalties for sin severe, and the Eucharist was not taken lightly, even if for a time laymen took the Eucharist home.  It is very different from the Novus Ordo where there are no obligatory communion preparation prayers, the hour...
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    "Traditional" Western-Rite Orthodoxy?

    Closed groups by their very nature generally do not welcome criticism, challenge or disagreement.  Otherwise they would be open.
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    "Traditional" Western-Rite Orthodoxy?

    I think you are spot on.  The attempt to recreate "Celtic Orthodoxy" or the Sarum "use" is generally done in total disregard of the rest of the corpus of liturgical and spiritual norms of the Latin Church. It can be an exercise in taking DNA and trying to breathe life into what has long been in...
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    "Traditional" Western-Rite Orthodoxy?

    Facebook, that home of groups of all shades now has a "Traditional" Western Rite Orthodox group - a closed group which is odd for what should be a missionary endeavour of the Church.  In my own country with one surviving mission centered on St Petroc Monastery and Hieromonk Michael...
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    Western vestments - lace cottas and more

    Celtic purists who favour a revival of Sarum inspired or Sarum recreated vestments frown at lace cottas and and lace trimmed albs.  Why the dislike of what has been normative in Western Latin Christendom, and why not wear lace albs, plain linen amice, lace edged cottas or surplices, zucchettos...
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    St Petroc Monastery Philippines Mission News

    Rumour has it that the Greek Old Calendarists have taken over the Paruchia missions in the Philippines.  With no SPM priest on the ground for years(?), and the Abbott  of SPM, Fr. Michael (Mansbridge-Wood) now living in Edinburgh, UK, thousands of miles from the Far East, is it any wonder?
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    Orthodox patriarch hits at “unacceptable” attacks on ecumenism

    Clearly the Phanar believe that Latin Catholics are also in the Church i.e. that the Eastern Orthodox and Latin Catholic Churches are one and the same:
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    Orthodox patriarch hits at “unacceptable” attacks on ecumenism

    Engagement with non-Orthodox I believe is fine, but it needs to be on the basis of sharing the the True Faith of the Undivided Church, not on the basis of accepting that the Church is divided - the Anglican branch theory, which invariably involves major compromises with the faith.
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    Re the Ecumenical Patriarch's illegitimate interference

    I concede you have a point.  The Greek territories of the EP do belong to the Phanar, and aren't my business.  In regard to the EP keeping control of the Russian Exarchate (Paris-Rue Daru) and interference in  'the Moscow Patriarchate's traditional areas of responsibility, like the Baltic...
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    Re the Ecumenical Patriarch's illegitimate interference

    The Phanar pontificating about the Czech and Slovak Church, or trying to run a rump Estonian Orthodox Church in opposition to the Moscow Patriarchal Estonian Church reminds me of the Soviet bishops banging on about ecumenism and world peace, while at home their churches continued to be closed...
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    Re the Ecumenical Patriarch's illegitimate interference

    I agree that some of what Fr A writes stretches credulity, however much of what he writes about is spot on.  His analysis of the Paris Exarchate and the Phanar is in the main quite sound.  To romantacise the post-Soviet Russia is sometimes over the top.  The restoration of the Orthodox monarchy...
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    Orthodox patriarch hits at “unacceptable” attacks on ecumenism

    It is so easy to blame zealous convertskii for being so anti ecumenical.  It usually goes hand in hand with attacking women who cover their hair and attacking the majority of Orthodox Christians who continue to follow the Julian calendar.    Perhaps it is worth looking at the Council of...
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    Orthodox patriarch hits at “unacceptable” attacks on ecumenism

    Cyprian and Fermilian were defending the faith.  EP Bartholomew was ignoring the Church;s stance regarding heterodoxy, in condemning those who condemn ecumenism.  I don't agree with treating the heterodox like lepers, or being uncharitable.  The position of the Church regarding those who are...
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    Re the Ecumenical Patriarch's illegitimate interference

     see: http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/unprecedented.htm][]http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/unprecedented.htm The foolish of the Phanar in seeking to build a Papist style power is again patently obvious.  The Phanar had no jurisdiction in the Czech and Slovak lands Church - it being a constituent...
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    Orthodox patriarch hits at “unacceptable” attacks on ecumenism

    Unprecedented Interference in the Internal Affairs of Two Local Churches Also on 29 March, the Phanar sent a letter to Archbishop Jerome II of Athens in which its Patriarch Bartholomew reproached various bishops of the Church of Greece for speaking out against ecumenism and inter-religious...
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