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Happy blowing up Parliament Day!

 

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I was going to watch the appropriate movie but it didn't come yet from the Netflix HQ. Oh well.
 

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Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
 

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88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
 

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Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.

Catholicism and Protestantism/Anglicanism are both bad for the UK & Ireland.
 

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Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.
Now you're talking!
I dunno if anyone realizes that this is kind of like celebrating the Christian versions of Muslim groups.

I'm all for Irish independence, but violence isn't/wasn't the answer. Also, I'm not at all for Irish Catholicism. The Irish, Scottish & English belong back where they were before 1066, in the Orthodox Church.
 

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Sigh.  Oh really?

And a scholarly analysis by Professor Ronald Hutton (who has been mentioned in other threads) of the event postulates that if they had succeeded along with destroying a large part of the area and killing lots of other people it would have caused a backlash against English Roman Catholics that would have been a slaughter.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/civil_war_revolution/gunpowder_hutton_01.shtml

A while back I watched a program from British TV in which they build a reproduction of the hall and got proper gunpowder to test if it would have blown up the old parliament building.  It did with terrific results, fortunately on a vacant military range in the north of England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gunpowder_Plot:_Exploding_The_Legend

Here's the first part on YouTube.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9oDBXLjQcE
 

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88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
I think the British celebrate the conflagrative failure of the Fawkean inferno.
 

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88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.
Now you're talking!
I dunno if anyone realizes that this is kind of like celebrating the Christian versions of Muslim groups.

I'm all for Irish independence, but violence isn't/wasn't the answer. Also, I'm not at all for Irish Catholicism. The Irish, Scottish & English belong back where they were before 1066, in the Orthodox Church.
They are closer now than they would be under English oppression.
 

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vamrat said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.
Now you're talking!
I dunno if anyone realizes that this is kind of like celebrating the Christian versions of Muslim groups.

I'm all for Irish independence, but violence isn't/wasn't the answer. Also, I'm not at all for Irish Catholicism. The Irish, Scottish & English belong back where they were before 1066, in the Orthodox Church.
They are closer now than they would be under English oppression.
Really? Last I knew, Irish Catholics weren't very religious anymore and Anglicans in England were getting very liberal. Doesn't sound like either is closer to Orthodoxy, rather both sound like they're much farther from it.
 

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88Devin12 said:
vamrat said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.
Now you're talking!
I dunno if anyone realizes that this is kind of like celebrating the Christian versions of Muslim groups.

I'm all for Irish independence, but violence isn't/wasn't the answer. Also, I'm not at all for Irish Catholicism. The Irish, Scottish & English belong back where they were before 1066, in the Orthodox Church.
They are closer now than they would be under English oppression.
Really? Last I knew, Irish Catholics weren't very religious anymore and Anglicans in England were getting very liberal. Doesn't sound like either is closer to Orthodoxy, rather both sound like they're much farther from it.
I've met plenty of liberal/nonreligious Orthodox.
 

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vamrat said:
88Devin12 said:
vamrat said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.
Now you're talking!
I dunno if anyone realizes that this is kind of like celebrating the Christian versions of Muslim groups.

I'm all for Irish independence, but violence isn't/wasn't the answer. Also, I'm not at all for Irish Catholicism. The Irish, Scottish & English belong back where they were before 1066, in the Orthodox Church.
They are closer now than they would be under English oppression.
Really? Last I knew, Irish Catholics weren't very religious anymore and Anglicans in England were getting very liberal. Doesn't sound like either is closer to Orthodoxy, rather both sound like they're much farther from it.
I've met plenty of liberal/nonreligious Orthodox.
Just because one is baptized Orthodox doesn't mean anything, you know that right? I know the same can be applied for Irish Catholics and Anglicans, but most of their hierarchy seems to be infected.
 

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vamrat said:
88Devin12 said:
vamrat said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.
Now you're talking!
I dunno if anyone realizes that this is kind of like celebrating the Christian versions of Muslim groups.

I'm all for Irish independence, but violence isn't/wasn't the answer. Also, I'm not at all for Irish Catholicism. The Irish, Scottish & English belong back where they were before 1066, in the Orthodox Church.
They are closer now than they would be under English oppression.
Really? Last I knew, Irish Catholics weren't very religious anymore and Anglicans in England were getting very liberal. Doesn't sound like either is closer to Orthodoxy, rather both sound like they're much farther from it.
I've met plenty of liberal/nonreligious Orthodox.
Doesn't Ireland have like the highest church attendance in Europe and is like one of three countries in the universe without abortion on demand?
 

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William said:
vamrat said:
88Devin12 said:
vamrat said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.
Now you're talking!
I dunno if anyone realizes that this is kind of like celebrating the Christian versions of Muslim groups.

I'm all for Irish independence, but violence isn't/wasn't the answer. Also, I'm not at all for Irish Catholicism. The Irish, Scottish & English belong back where they were before 1066, in the Orthodox Church.
They are closer now than they would be under English oppression.
Really? Last I knew, Irish Catholics weren't very religious anymore and Anglicans in England were getting very liberal. Doesn't sound like either is closer to Orthodoxy, rather both sound like they're much farther from it.
I've met plenty of liberal/nonreligious Orthodox.
Doesn't Ireland have like the highest church attendance in Europe and is like one of three countries in the universe without abortion on demand?
Maybe I shouldn't listen to the BBC. I was probably thinking of the wrong thing, they do have higher "religiousity" than most of Europe and higher attendance (even moreso than Greece, to their shame).
I do recall though some of the other problems in Ireland being common (like alcoholism, etc...) but the same could be said of some Orthodox nations.
 

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William said:
vamrat said:
88Devin12 said:
vamrat said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.
Now you're talking!
I dunno if anyone realizes that this is kind of like celebrating the Christian versions of Muslim groups.

I'm all for Irish independence, but violence isn't/wasn't the answer. Also, I'm not at all for Irish Catholicism. The Irish, Scottish & English belong back where they were before 1066, in the Orthodox Church.
They are closer now than they would be under English oppression.
Really? Last I knew, Irish Catholics weren't very religious anymore and Anglicans in England were getting very liberal. Doesn't sound like either is closer to Orthodoxy, rather both sound like they're much farther from it.
I've met plenty of liberal/nonreligious Orthodox.
Doesn't Ireland have like the highest church attendance in Europe and is like one of three countries in the universe without abortion on demand?
There are a good bit more than three, but yes, Ireland is one of them.

In Europe, it is illegal flat out in the Vatican and Malta.  There are restrictions (to varying degrees) in Ireland and Poland as well as the little-un's: Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, San Marino, the Faroes, and some more lenient restrictions in England, Finland, and Bjork-land.
 

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You say that as if it something bad.  Up the Republic!

88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.

Catholicism and Protestantism/Anglicanism are both bad for the UK & Ireland.
 

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Punch said:
You say that as if it something bad.  Up the Republic!

88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.

Catholicism and Protestantism/Anglicanism are both bad for the UK & Ireland.
The ends don't justify the means. Terrorism is never justified.

Ireland deserves independence, but you don't commit terrorism to get it.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think Scotland will actually be voting on independence in the upcoming decade.

We no longer live in the world of yesterday. I seriously doubt the UK would go into an all-out war over a part of it declaring independence.

You're all hypocrites in condemning Muslim terrorism and turning around and celebration terrorism by Christians.
 

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88Devin12 said:
Punch said:
You say that as if it something bad.  Up the Republic!

88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.

Catholicism and Protestantism/Anglicanism are both bad for the UK & Ireland.
The ends don't justify the means. Terrorism is never justified.

Ireland deserves independence, but you don't commit terrorism to get it.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think Scotland will actually be voting on independence in the upcoming decade.

We no longer live in the world of yesterday. I seriously doubt the UK would go into an all-out war over a part of it declaring independence.

You're all hypocrites in condemning Muslim terrorism and turning around and celebration terrorism by Christians.


Never forget.
 

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Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Punch said:
You say that as if it something bad.  Up the Republic!

88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.

Catholicism and Protestantism/Anglicanism are both bad for the UK & Ireland.
The ends don't justify the means. Terrorism is never justified.

Ireland deserves independence, but you don't commit terrorism to get it.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think Scotland will actually be voting on independence in the upcoming decade.

We no longer live in the world of yesterday. I seriously doubt the UK would go into an all-out war over a part of it declaring independence.

You're all hypocrites in condemning Muslim terrorism and turning around and celebration terrorism by Christians.


Never forget.
A military operation on a military base conducted between two parties in a declared state of war?
 

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sheenj said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Punch said:
You say that as if it something bad.  Up the Republic!

88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.

Catholicism and Protestantism/Anglicanism are both bad for the UK & Ireland.
The ends don't justify the means. Terrorism is never justified.

Ireland deserves independence, but you don't commit terrorism to get it.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think Scotland will actually be voting on independence in the upcoming decade.

We no longer live in the world of yesterday. I seriously doubt the UK would go into an all-out war over a part of it declaring independence.

You're all hypocrites in condemning Muslim terrorism and turning around and celebration terrorism by Christians.


Never forget.
A military operation on a military base conducted between two parties in a declared state of war?
Think of all the civilian contractors and hapless laborers aboard that base, and then think to yourself, is this the kind of Republic I want to build?
 

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Don't forget as you go out and vote today (if you do) that this country was also founded by terrorism.  And yes, the end DOES justify the means in this world.  It always has, and always will.

88Devin12 said:
Punch said:
You say that as if it something bad.  Up the Republic!

88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.

Catholicism and Protestantism/Anglicanism are both bad for the UK & Ireland.
The ends don't justify the means. Terrorism is never justified.

Ireland deserves independence, but you don't commit terrorism to get it.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think Scotland will actually be voting on independence in the upcoming decade.

We no longer live in the world of yesterday. I seriously doubt the UK would go into an all-out war over a part of it declaring independence.

You're all hypocrites in condemning Muslim terrorism and turning around and celebration terrorism by Christians.
 

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Punch said:
Don't forget as you go out and vote today (if you do) that this country was also founded by terrorism.  And yes, the end DOES justify the means in this world.  It always has, and always will.

88Devin12 said:
Punch said:
You say that as if it something bad.  Up the Republic!

88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.

Catholicism and Protestantism/Anglicanism are both bad for the UK & Ireland.
The ends don't justify the means. Terrorism is never justified.

Ireland deserves independence, but you don't commit terrorism to get it.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think Scotland will actually be voting on independence in the upcoming decade.

We no longer live in the world of yesterday. I seriously doubt the UK would go into an all-out war over a part of it declaring independence.

You're all hypocrites in condemning Muslim terrorism and turning around and celebration terrorism by Christians.
Guerrilla warfare =/= Terrorism. There is a difference.
 

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sheenj said:
Punch said:
Don't forget as you go out and vote today (if you do) that this country was also founded by terrorism.  And yes, the end DOES justify the means in this world.  It always has, and always will.

88Devin12 said:
Punch said:
You say that as if it something bad.  Up the Republic!

88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.

Catholicism and Protestantism/Anglicanism are both bad for the UK & Ireland.
The ends don't justify the means. Terrorism is never justified.

Ireland deserves independence, but you don't commit terrorism to get it.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think Scotland will actually be voting on independence in the upcoming decade.

We no longer live in the world of yesterday. I seriously doubt the UK would go into an all-out war over a part of it declaring independence.

You're all hypocrites in condemning Muslim terrorism and turning around and celebration terrorism by Christians.
Guerrilla warfare =/= Terrorism. There is a difference.
I would agree.
 

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Ansgar said:
sheenj said:
Punch said:
Don't forget as you go out and vote today (if you do) that this country was also founded by terrorism.  And yes, the end DOES justify the means in this world.  It always has, and always will.

88Devin12 said:
Punch said:
You say that as if it something bad.  Up the Republic!

88Devin12 said:
Iconodule said:
88Devin12 said:
Other than being popularized by the movie, I fail to see how this is a positive thing to celebrate.
Yeah, it would have been better if they'd succeeded.
Why is that?

It almost seems like celebrating the IRA.

Catholicism and Protestantism/Anglicanism are both bad for the UK & Ireland.
The ends don't justify the means. Terrorism is never justified.

Ireland deserves independence, but you don't commit terrorism to get it.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think Scotland will actually be voting on independence in the upcoming decade.

We no longer live in the world of yesterday. I seriously doubt the UK would go into an all-out war over a part of it declaring independence.

You're all hypocrites in condemning Muslim terrorism and turning around and celebration terrorism by Christians.
Guerrilla warfare =/= Terrorism. There is a difference.
I would agree.
Shooting officers is not very gentlemanly and was abhorrent in the mores of the time...of course it didn't stop the Brits doing it to the Crapauds a couple decades later...

Also, the majority of the IRA/PROVO attacks were on British military and RUC forces.  Acts such as the Omagh bombing were aberrations and in this specific instance was condemned by the mainstream Provisional IRA and the political branch Sinn Fein.  
 

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