A visit from some JW's!

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My wife had in interesting encounter with some JW's a few days ago and I'm still contemplating my course of action, so I'm writing here for some suggestions.

My wife is a stay at home mom, taking care of our two young children (3 & 1) which keep her quite busy.  The other day, a car pulls into our driveway (while I'm at work) and 4 adults exit the (two males two females).  She seems them from our family room and is initially a bit uneasy to see 4 people she does not know approach the door.  At that moment our telephone rings and it my wife's cousin.  She tells her cousin to "hold on" while she answers the door.

As expected, the kids take the opportunity to go buck wild around the house while wifey is distracted.  She answers the door and the two women are up front (I swear these JW's are like tactical attack squads - lol).

She opens the doors to which one lady says "Are you Serbian"?  Looking surprised my wife says "yes".  The lady responds (in Serbian), oh, so am I and I've been going around meeting Serbian, Croatian and Macedonian families looking to talk to them about God.  My wife (rather naively) hasn't figured out they are JW's and continues to listen to their garble.  (What's interesting about how my house is set up is that you can seem a very prominent Icon of St. Nicholas from the front door, so I'm sure they saw it).

The lady proceeds to hand my wife some "literature" written in Serbian Cyrillic which I presume to be the JW gospel, or some derivative thereof.  Again, because it was written in Cyrillic, my wife had assumed it was some worthwhile piece of literature and kept it until I got home (at which point I let my kids "play" with it). 

In any event, because my wife was consumed with the kids and the phone the lady basically said, "we'll be back soon to discuss things".  So, my question is what do I do?  Before you answer, consider this...

a)  This was not a random JW "walk up".  They DROVE to our house and our house ONLY.  They are obviously Serbian Orthodox converts that are trying to locate other Serbs (especially new immigrants) and target them for converstion.

b)  They were rather forward and pushy and assumed they could just come back.

c)  They came with a virtual army (4 adults in total).  My wife felt uneasy.

So, I thought about things I could possibly do and I am open to suggestions.  Here are some of my thoughts:

1.  Politely tell them we are OC, always have been, always will be and ask them never to come back.

2.  Ask them to wait until I get home and invite them in and work on converting them (in order to do this I would have to really hit the books on JW's as my knowledge is almost zero).

3.  Have my wife politely ask for all their names (first and last), then tell them her husband is a lawyer who will get a restraining order against them if they ever try to come to my house again (not that I would - but sometimes it is fun to just scare people - LOL)

4.  Go buy a pair of tighty whities, put them on (and nothing else) then chase them off my property chanting in "made up tongue", so that they think I'm possessed.*

Thoughts???

I got to tell you, in all honesty I am really disturbed that a group of Serbs are "hunting" other Serbs for conversion.  I'd be lying if I told you I wasn't put off by the whole thing.  At the very least, I would like to call them traitors against their people and their Church.























*Not being serious.
 

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I am not Serbian, but  I do know that the JWs are  a rehash of many of the very heresies condemned in the early  Ecumenical Councils of the Church repackaged for today's world. Most JWs do not listen to anything you say but are only focussed on getting their message out.  My advice is to never let them in the front door, give them some Orthodox Material to read and be sure to throw their material out---it is poorly written, presents lies and inaccuracies, and frequently poor translations of scriptures that deliberately change the wording to give their view but do not  translate the word accurately (their New World Translation of the Greek Bible is laughable to anyone who knows Greek).  The best basic rule with them is never let them in the house---PERIOD they will eventually, in a year or two, get the message and stop coming. ;)

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The problem that I've found with JWs is as Thomas says, they have their own bible and their own basis that they are going to "attack" from. Its impossible to argue religion when you do not have a common frame of reference to a primary source. I've gotten a few of them upset by asking them why they don't believe in the Holy Spirit. To which they reply, "Oh, well, he's not in our bible"... Sure......It can be fun to mess with them for a while, but I would just leave some orthodox material outside by the door and not answer.  :police:

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I've always been fond of option 4 which can take a wide variety of forms.  I used to live around the corner from a Kingdom Hall (that's what JWs call their worship houses) and we'd get visits twice a month...until I answered the door wearing only a pair of dirty cargo shorts with a cigarette in one hand and a beer in the other (and it was 10 am to boot!) and told them that my wife (I wasn't married then) did all the talking as I was just her housemaid and love slave.

They never came back.
 

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Schultz said:
I've always been fond of option 4 which can take a wide variety of forms.  I used to live around the corner from a Kingdom Hall (that's what JWs call their worship houses) and we'd get visits twice a month...until I answered the door wearing only a pair of dirty cargo shorts with a cigarette in one hand and a beer in the other (and it was 10 am to boot!) and told them that my wife (I wasn't married then) did all the talking as I was just her housemaid and love slave.

They never came back.
Thats hilarious
 

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Schultz said:
I've always been fond of option 4 which can take a wide variety of forms.  I used to live around the corner from a Kingdom Hall (that's what JWs call their worship houses) and we'd get visits twice a month...until I answered the door wearing only a pair of dirty cargo shorts with a cigarette in one hand and a beer in the other (and it was 10 am to boot!) and told them that my wife (I wasn't married then) did all the talking as I was just her housemaid and love slave.

They never came back.
:D

I'll keep that in mind. My sister's boyfriend's mother is a JW. The minute she heard from my mother about what a "devout Catholic" I was, her eyes lit up. For the sake of peace, I'm trying to be very diplomatic, but my patience is wearing thin.
 

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I saw a great cartoon in this regard. A guy with big beard and head band stands at the entrance into the cave, and two JWs stand in front of him, offering their free Bible studies. The caption says, "and you thought they would never find bin Laden...:  ;D
 

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Thomas said:
The best basic rule with them is never let them in the house---PERIOD they will eventually, in a year or two, get the message and stop coming. ;)
That doesn't stop them from coming by because once a former Orthodox apostate learns where a potential convert lives, they'll come back - maybe a few times a year.  Greek JW's have been coming by since I was a child and we're talking 25+ years.  Recently, they leave literature and do not knock.  My cousin's Orthodox Godmother has friends and relatives who are JW's.
 

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SouthSerb99 said:
I got to tell you, in all honesty I am really disturbed that a group of Serbs are "hunting" other Serbs for conversion.  I'd be lying if I told you I wasn't put off by the whole thing.  At the very least, I would like to call them traitors against their people and their Church.
I like the term Apostate.  Try asking them why they became JW's.  The Greek ones usually say that they don't want to financially support the Church of Greece or the GOA.  Or better yet, tell them that JW's and Islam are basically repackaged forms of Arianism and no honest Serb would practice the same religion as a Muslim....
 

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My great uncle told me he flies the American flag and because of that they won't visit his house; but many others have said this doesn't work. ???
A "No Trespassing or Soliciting" sign might work.
Or you could try this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93E96U5BLZ0
 

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Thomas said:
I am not Serbian, but  I do know that the JWs are  a rehash of many of the very heresies condemned in the early  Ecumenical Councils of the Church repackaged for today's world. Most JWs do not listen to anything you say but are only focussed on getting their message out.  My advice is to never let them in the front door, give them some Orthodox Material to read and be sure to throw their material out---it is poorly written, presents lies and inaccuracies, and frequently poor translations of scriptures that deliberately change the wording to give their view but do not  translate the word accurately (their New World Translation of the Greek Bible is laughable to anyone who knows Greek).  The best basic rule with them is never let them in the house---PERIOD they will eventually, in a year or two, get the message and stop coming. ;)

Thomas
What? I would LOVE for them to come, but they never do! Grrrrr, maybe they know to watch out for me. haha
 

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Get a rottweiler and let him loose in the front yard. ;D Just kidding.
They are pretty harmless and often don't even know why they converted themselves. Your wifes best bet is to act nicely and just take the literature. After they leave just tell her to throw it out. You are just shell shocked because they are your own people. With your debating ability, I'm sure you would be able to scare them off pretty quickly if you were home. Just keep in mind that they are misguided. They are people and deserve respect.
 
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Tell them we are to the love the Lord our God and our neighbor as ourselves and, for those of us who can, blood donation is an example of following our Lord. They cannot seem to figure something so basic out in their confusion (or perhaps hypocrisy).  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses_and_blood_transfusions   
 

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I always like showing them how their own Bible proclaims the divinity of Christ:

[quote author=New World Translation Bible]Rev. 1:8: “I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.” [/quote]

So, all right, Jehovah God calls himself "the Alpha and the Omega."  Keep that handy.

[quote author=New World Translation Bible]9 I John, YOUR brother and a sharer with YOU in the tribulation and kingdom and endurance in company with Jesus, came to be in the isle that is called Pat´mos for speaking about God and bearing witness to Jesus.

10 By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet,

11 saying: “What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations, in Eph´e·sus and in Smyr´na and in Per´ga·mum and in Thy·a·ti´ra and in Sar´dis and in Philadelphia and in La·o·di·ce´a.”

12 And I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me, and, having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands,

13 and in the midst of the lampstands someone like a son of man, clothed with a garment that reached down to the feet, and girded at the breasts with a golden girdle.

14 Moreover, his head and his hair were white as white wool, as snow, and his eyes as a fiery flame;

15 and his feet were like fine copper when glowing in a furnace; and his voice was as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth a sharp, long two-edged sword was protruding, and his countenance was as the sun when it shines in its power.

17 And when I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet.

And he laid his right hand upon me and said: “Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last,

18 and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Ha´des. [/quote]

So now we obviously have Jesus, the Son of Man who died and lives forever, who has the keys of death and Hades, calling Himself "the First and the Last."  Not exactly the same title as "Alpha and Omega," not word for word, anyway, so let's go from the beginning of the Apocalypse into the final chapter:

[quote author=New World Translation Bible]Rev. 22:13: "I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."[/quote]

Now, that verse is in a paragraph that JWs say is Jehovah God speaking, though the text gives no clue that that's happening, and even though the passage is surrounded by two things that are clearly spoken by Jesus.  Nevertheless, they have a statement here that even they say is attributed to Jehovah God which equates the One Who Is Alpha and Omega with the One Who Is the First and the Last.

Christ is divine, and not even the JW Bible denies it.  Try it on them sometime, though as Thomas states, do it at your doorway; they don't need to come in and sit down to have this quickly pointed out to them.
 

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JW's don't believe Jesus rose from the dead....

And he laid his right hand upon me and said: “Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last,

18 and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Ha´des.
From JW's point of view, Jehovah God must have been dead at some point and somehow resurrected himself from the dead (which could have occurred in 1914 when the JW's were Established).  Resurrection is only reserved for Jehovah God (who has the keys of death and Hades) and no one else according to JW's theology.
 

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Just tell them the truth. That the JW cult is an american-made heresy, just like all the others and theres nothing to discuss.
 

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Here in chicago on palaski ave..,there is a yugoslavian seventh day adventist church one day ill pay them a visit ..see how they do thing's  in there worship .....<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/17/17_1_29.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
 

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I Loooove the jw..they are good people when i was younger i use to attend a kingdom hall,,also my brother ..parent's let us go they never minded...they would invite them in house and hear there preaching they would have everything in there tracks in  our language and in cirilica...fine fine people God bless them so much ....<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/17/17_1_29.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
 

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I can offer my personal experience, if you want.
I was 22 (now I'm 24) and I was alone at home, in the afternoon. Mom and dad were both at work. Two JW's came at my door and went downstairs to listen what they were to say. They gave me a booklet on their theories (I think the title was more or less "The truth that leads to life everlasting") , thanked them for the offer... and said that I would have their booklet read in a week. I immediately got in my bedroom. I had a JW bible at home (a colleague of my father once gave him one...) and many Bibles on the Internet at my disposal. On the following week they came back and asked what I thought about their faith. I answered: "Why do you say that Jesus didn't die on a cross if the symbol of your movement was originally a cross with a crown over it?" They were evidently in difficulty and could not answer. Then I continued: "How can you say that hell (hades) is just a metaphor for the Final Judgment if the story of Lazarus clearly reveals that the rich man was asking to Abraham to go and warn his relatives alive of that consuming fire? It's clear that they're in the intermediate period before Doomsday". I told that seriously but welcomingly, but can assure you they never came back anymore...

Personally I always condemn heresy and heresiarchs, but NEVER condemn the heretics which have been brain-washed by the heresiarchs. Just warn them as I did of the false doctrines of their denomination: maybe one day they're going to change their mind on that and thank you for everything in prayer, who knows...

In Christ,    Alex
 
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