Antichrist is here

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They won’t be able to complete the building of the third temple without him as it says in Daniel

Daniel 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

The covenant will be to allow sacrifice

It is important not to be afraid Jesus says when you hear of wars and rumours of wars do not be troubled. He who endures to the end will be saved. Here is the patience of the saints those who keep His commandments and the faith of Jesus

Focus only on your relationship with God and fulfilling the commandments. If he is even allowed to stop that it must be the Lord Jesus has accepted us to die as witnesses without having had kept some commandments.

Greater is He that is in you than he who is in the world

This can only be achieved perhaps if we learn not to be afraid by truly giving God our heart and being open to truth from anywhere Christian perhaps without forsaking the church which may be the truth we should go to church and take communion  to try to be convinced of the church but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be open to learning truth from other Christians which could be right though we don’t know if they need the church

Of course during these evil times we may not be able to gather much because of persecution then we know we are absolved by the church or it is not as important

The church has the communion which in the opinion of a priest says is how they overcame by the blood of the lamb

Paul says the cup which we drink is it not the communion of the blood of Christ ?

That’s not to say God may not absolve all in these last days without it






 

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Isaiah53IsMessiah said:
What are you a prophet or something?
What do you mean ?
How is not the evidence of the temple being built not enough evidence?  and the first altar since 70 ad has been prepared and the first blameless red heifer though genetically modified
Though I don’t believe we should be afraid we need to know how we are going to live without buying or selling. I trust there is a way otherwise no one can survive
 

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Isaiah53IsMessiah said:
What are you a prophet or something?
If you mean who am I to be confident and give hope being a sinner you are right I don’t deserve to but I hope in the Lord. I think it is helpful following my church readings of the day but that should only be the start. Blessed is the man as psalm 1 says who meditates day and night on the law. We need to fill our vessels like the wise virgins if we need strength now. But it is important to trust in the Lord as He said call upon Me in the day of trouble and I will deliver you and you shall glorify Me and take the shield of faith which is trusting in God against the accuser of the brethren Satan. We are not saved by our strength but psalm 1 is to teach to meditate on the Lord if you lack faith to strengthen you and take you out of all that you need to leave. But if one is not perfect he should not condemn himself. The Lord may accept those who can only work 1 hour now if He chooses to accept them though they wrrr sinners who can’t be perfect but are doing what they can now
 

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Isaiah53IsMessiah said:
The Temple isn't being rebuilt...
Not rebuilt a third temple is being built they may or may not build over the dome eventually not to get hindrance from Muslims for the devil to use them to deceive people there is peace for all whether they intend peace or not
 

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Do not fear to give your life for Christ
Remember Jesus said he who gains his life will lose it and he who loses his life for My sake will find it
Peter says do not be afraid of their threats or be troubled
He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death by your faith you can overcome and take courage to carry your cross perhaps knowing what to do in that hour normally which you won’t know how to endure
Jesus said do not worry about what you shall speak it will be given in that hour perhaps also He teaches not to worry about how you will live God will show you then
God does not allow temptation beyond what we can bear
You can prepare yourself to be easier to withstand your fears by carrying a cross now. But you may be granted courage in that hour anyway but I don’t know better carry a cross now

Here is an account to help prepare

Martyr Sebastian at Rome, and his companions

Commemorated on December 18

The Holy Martyr Sebastian was born in the city of Narbonum in Gaul (modern France), and he received his education at Mediolanum (now Milan). Under the co-reigning emperors Diocletian and Maximian (284-305) he occupied the position of head of the imperial guards. Saint Sebastian was respected for his authority, and was loved by the soldiers and those at court. He was a brave man filled with wisdom; his word was honest, his judgment just. He was insightful in advice and faithful in his service and in everything entrusted to him. He was a secret Christian, not out of fear, but so that he could provide help to the brethren in a time of persecution.

The noble Christian brothers Marcellinus and Mark had been locked up in prison, and at first they firmly confessed the true Faith. But under the influence of the tearful entreaties of their pagan parents (Tranquillinus and Marcia), and also their own wives and children, they began to waver in their intent to suffer for Christ. Saint Sebastian went to the imperial treasurer, at whose house Marcellinus and Mark were held in confinement, and addressed the brothers who were on the verge of yielding to the entreaties of their family.

“O valiant warriors of Christ! Do not cast away your everlasting crowns of victory because of the tears of your relatives. Do not remove your feet from the necks of your enemies who lie prostrate before you, lest they regain their strength and attack you more fiercely than before. Raise your banner high over every earthly attachment. If those whom you see weeping knew that there is another life where there is neither sickness nor death, where there is unceasing gladness and everything is beautiful, then assuredly they would wish to enter it with you. Anyone who fears to exchange this brief earthly life for the unending joys of the heavenly Kingdom is foolish indeed. For he who rejects eternity wastes the brief time of his existence, and will be delivered to everlasting torment in Hades.”

Then Saint Sebastian said that if necessary, he would be willing to endure torment and death in order to show them how to give their lives for Christ.

So Saint Sebastian persuaded the brothers to go through with their act of martyrdom, and his speech stirred everyone present. They saw how his face shone like that of an angel, and they saw how seven angels clothed him in a radiant garment, and heard a fair Youth say, “You shall be with Me always.”

Zoe, the wife of the jailer Nicostratus, had lost her ability to speak six years previously. She fell down at the feet of Saint Sebastian, by her gestures imploring him to heal her. The saint made the Sign of the Cross over the woman, and she immediately began to speak and she glorified the Lord Jesus Christ. She said that she had seen an angel holding an open book in which everything Saint Sebastian said was written. Then all who saw the miracle also came to believe in the Savior of the world. Nicostratus removed the chains from Marcellinus and Mark and offered to hide them, but the brothers refused.

Mark said, “Let them tear the flesh from our bodies with cruel torments. They can kill the body, but they cannot conquer the soul which contends for the Faith.” Nicostratus and his wife asked for Baptism, and Saint Sebastian advised Nicostratus to serve Christ rather than the Eparch. He also told him to assemble the prisoners so that those who believed in Christ could be baptized. Nicostratus then requested his clerk Claudius to send all the prisoners to his house. Sebastian spoke to them of Christ, and became convinced that they were all inclined to be baptized. He summoned the priest Polycarp, who prepared them for the Mystery, instructing them to fast in preparation for Baptism that evening.

Then Claudius informed Nicostratus that the Roman eparch Arestius Chromatus wanted to know why the prisoners were gathered at his house. Nicostratus told Claudius about the healing of his wife, and Claudius brought his own sick sons, Symphorian and Felix to Saint Sebastian. In the evening the priest Polycarp baptized Tranquillinus with his relatives and friends, and Nicostratus and all his family, Claudius and his sons, and also sixteen condemned prisoners. The newly-baptized numbered 64 in all.

Appearing before the eparch Chromatus, Nicostratus told him how Saint Sebastian had converted them to Christianity and healed many from sickness. The words of Nicostratus persuaded the eparch. He summoned Saint Sebastian and the presbyter Polycarp, and was enlightened by them, and became a believer in Christ. Nicostratus and Chromatus, his son Tiburtius and all his household accepted holy Baptism. The number of the newly-enlightened increased to 1400. Upon becoming a Christian, Chromatus resigned his office of eparch.

During this time the Bishop of Rome was Saint Gaius (August 11). He blessed Chromatus to go to his estates in southern Italy with the priest Polycarp. Christians unable to endure martyrdom also went with them. Father Polycarp went to strengthen the newly-converted in the Faith.

Tiburtius, the son of Chromatus, desired to accept martyrdom and he remained in Rome with Saint Sebastian. Of those remaining, Saint Gaius ordained Tranquillinus as a presbyter, and his sons Marcellinus and Mark were ordained deacons. Nicostratus, his wife Zoe and brother Castorius, and Claudius, his son Symphorian and brother Victorinus also remained in Rome. They gathered for divine services at the court of the emperor together with a secret Christian named Castulus, but soon the time came for them to suffer for the Faith.

The pagans arrested Saint Zoe first, praying at the grave of the Apostle Peter. At the trial she bravely confessed her faith in Christ. She died, hung by her hair over the foul smoke from a great fire of dung. Her body then was thrown into the River Tiber. Appearing in a vision to Saint Sebastian, she told him about her death.

The priest Tranquillinus was the next to suffer: pagans pelted him with stones at the grave of the holy Apostle Peter, and his body was also thrown into the Tiber.

Sts Nicostratus, Castorius, Claudius, Victorinus, and Symphorian were seized at the riverbank, when they were searching for the bodies of the martyrs. They were led to the eparch, and the saints refused his command to offer sacrifice to idols. They tied stones to the necks of the martyrs and then drowned them in the sea.

The false Christian Torquatus betrayed Saint Tiburtius. When the saint refused to sacrifice to the idols, the judge ordered Tiburtius to walk barefoot on red-hot coals, but the Lord preserved him. Tiburtius walked through the burning coals without feeling the heat. The torturers then beheaded Saint Tiburtius, and his body was buried by unknown Christians.

Torquatus also betrayed the holy Deacons Marcellinus and Mark, and Saint Castulus (March 26). After torture, they threw Castulus into a pit and buried him alive, but Marcellinus and Mark had their feet nailed to the same tree stump. They stood all night in prayer, and in the morning they were stabbed with spears.

Saint Sebastian was the last one to be tortured. The emperor Diocletian personally interrogated him, and seeing the determination of the holy martyr, he ordered him taken out of the city, tied to a tree and shot with arrows. Irene, the wife of Saint Castulus, went at night in order to bury Saint Sebastian, but found him alive and took him to her home.

Saint Sebastian soon recovered from his wounds. Christians urged him to leave Rome, but he refused. Coming near a pagan temple, the saint saw the emperors approaching and he publicly denounced them for their impiety. Diocletian ordered the holy martyr to be taken to the Circus Maximus to be executed. They clubbed Saint Sebastian to death, and cast his body into the sewer. The holy martyr appeared to a pious woman named Lucina in a vision, and told her to take his body and bury it in the catacombs. This she did with the help of her slaves. Today his basilica stands on the site of his tomb.
 

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I don't see how the fact that some Jews and Evangelicals are trying to breed a red heifer and (pipe dreaming about drawing up the plans to ask for funding to break ground to) build a new Temple is indicative of anything concrete ever actually happening (especially as long as the Israeli government doesn't support them, and I don't see how they politically could do so without the Dome of the Rock first being conveniently destroyed in an earthquake or something)--especially given that the literal futurity of those exact events doesn't seem dogmatic in Orthodoxy.

As far as I can tell, the only prophetic futurism that Orthodoxy seems to demand is that there will be a physical Antichrist and Great Tribulation at some point in our future. But there's no guarantee that he will be proceeded by concrete signs, especially when it's never been at all clear to me how Christ's return can both be unexpected a la Matthew 24:44 and have a clear and obvious road map laid out in the daily news.

Dispensationalist-style "such and such current event matches up with such and such alleged sign of the end" doesn't seem to me like it has a lot of precedence in Orthodoxy and it's fine to have a more historicist or preterist reading of most Biblical prophecy.

We should all be prepared for persecution and for death (whether by martyrdom, accident, or nature) at all times, anyway. The sociopolitical world around us should have no bearing on that.
 

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I see. Thanks for your insight dear Volnutt :) I do however think we should keep events in mind but it is not conclusive. Good to see you back
 

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mikeforjesus said:
I see. Thanks for your insight dear Volnutt :) I do however think we should keep events in mind but it is not conclusive. Good to see you back
Keeping them in mind in terms of knowing how to relate to people's needs, I suppose. But I don't see much indication that Christians should be worried about alleged signs and wonders of the end. Note that one of the few times the word "Antichrist" even appears in the Bible is in the context of St. John basically just deflecting the speculations back onto a teaching on the practical lives of believers-

1 John 4:1-3 said:
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

And I'm only back for a few posts, unfortunately.

I hope you're doing alright.
 

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I understand if you need a break or to break from the forum. I am doing ok. I am managing to keep my hopes up

I guess you are right we should not be afraid if we actually received the truth.
But Paul says one sign to know the end is come is a falling away. Jesus also talked about signs being the beginnng of sorrows. Is it a falling away from Christianity or orthodox Christianity or true teachings such as to live right as mentioned by tradition and sanctification of the truth or need to accept the gospel or a combination I do not know. I am wary of orthodox who try to push other Christians out of the way of salvation. I think because we fell away it is a sign of the end times but we may still be accepted but Paul is encouraging all Christians which especially includes descendants of his church. If we need to be orthodox God I believe God will witness to us perhaps at least if we are living as Christians in true biblical manner and we want the truth so people should not worry if they are Christians I think who yearn for the full truth I believe but you can convert to be safe

The truth has a great help or power to make one ready not shaken or troubled and also and also give everlasting consolation and good hope by grace. Or it may just to encourage hope in the great help God can give but we should struggle perhaps very hard for salvation still

2 Thessalonians 2:1-17
1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Stand Fast
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
 

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Jesus said those who believe and are baptised will be saved but those who do not believe which may include baptism in the church will be damned

I can not say it is definitely required in the church or all cases but it is something to think about
 

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No one should worry about others worry only about yourself. God may or may not  absolve some people not in antichrist time by prayer of the dead. Anyway you must trust God’s judgements
 

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One sign of the end is the love of many growing cold. You can preach Christianity but be cold in love or rather lukewarm is more accurate because you are warm but cold also.. lukewarm may mean not knowing how to behave to people not sorting it out in heart or mind

However the coldness or lukewarmness is also in regard to faith you must not be cold or lukewarm towards the faith. Anyway the coldness may be a sign but not necessary to bring the end but we should change now. In being warm it does not mean we accept sin
 

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mikeforjesus said:
No one should worry about others worry only about yourself. God may or may not  absolve some people not in antichrist time by prayer of the dead. Anyway you must trust God’s judgements
I mean only if they did not get their chance so you should trust God’s judgements
 

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mikeforjesus said:
I understand if you need a break or to break from the forum. I am doing ok. I am managing to keep my hopes up

I guess you are right we should not be afraid if we actually received the truth.
But Paul says one sign to know the end is come is a falling away. Jesus also talked about signs being the beginnng of sorrows. Is it a falling away from Christianity or orthodox Christianity or true teachings such as to live right as mentioned by tradition and sanctification of the truth or need to accept the gospel or a combination I do not know. I am wary of orthodox who try to push other Christians out of the way of salvation. I think because we fell away it is a sign of the end times but we may still be accepted but Paul is encouraging all Christians which especially includes descendants of his church. If we need to be orthodox God I believe God will witness to us perhaps at least if we are living as Christians in true biblical manner and we want the truth so people should not worry if they are Christians I think who yearn for the full truth I believe but you can convert to be safe

The truth has a great help or power to make one ready not shaken or troubled and also and also give everlasting consolation and good hope by grace. Or it may just to encourage hope in the great help God can give but we should struggle perhaps very hard for salvation still

2 Thessalonians 2:1-17
1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
"Wars and rumors of wars" are constant in history, cruelty and love growing cold are constant in history. Even if this generation is significantly worse on those things than previous ones were (which I'm not convinced is actually true. Every generation going back to ancient Greece and further has had authors who disparaged the morals of their children's generation while idealizing those of some previous one).

And even if this generation really is the worst one yet, it doesn't therefore necessarily follow that it's the last one before the end. Things could conceivably get better for some undefined period of time and then get apocalyptic thereafter, almost like a sinewave pattern. Or there could be any number of even worse generations to come after this one.

So, and keeping in mind that a lot of the warnings in the NT of hard times to come are first and foremost about their immediate First Century context, it makes more practical sense to me to just live as though the Second Coming is always right around the corner no matter what year one lives in (and, in terms of each individual's death, it is always right around the corner) and preach to people on that basis.
 

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Isaiah53IsMessiah said:
What are you a prophet or something?
Have you had a chance thus far to read the Epistles of St. John?  Because according to him, Antichrist is already in the world, and he wrote that sometime beteeen Pentecost and 90 AD, give or take a few years.  The specific Left Behind / Omega Code silliness behind some modern day Protestant interpretations of the antichrist does not invalidate the NT teaching; instead, we must look to the Fathers.

I strongly reccommend giving the entire Johannine corpus a read as quickly as possible, or a reread; it is of immense importance for the Orthodox Christian.  Of course, so are the other books of sacred scripture, but the books by St. John the Apostle are particularly important from a doctrinal perspective (just as those of St. Paul arr particularly important from an ecclesiological perspective).
 
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