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Are you watching the wedding of William Windsor and Catherine Middleton?
as if it actually made one damned difference...88Devin12 said:I was pleased to see that there are two Orthodox icons in Westminster. Apparently these have been there for a while and were painted by Sergei Fyodorov.
I read that Prince Philip still makes the Orthodox sign of the cross, and so I'll be interested to see if he does here. I wonder if he actually really embraced the Anglican faith, or simply did because he had to marry the Queen. (I hope his heart is still with Orthodoxy)
Thank you for that additional information. I, too, was pleased to see them.88Devin12 said:I was pleased to see that there are two Orthodox icons in Westminster. Apparently these have been there for a while and were painted by Sergei Fyodorov.
Philip was not required by law to become Anglican in order to marry the then Princess Elizabeth. It was necessary only that he not be Roman Catholic. If you know otherwise, please let me know. I have never been able to track down any official documentation that he did indeed become Anglican, though it is clear that he communes as such. Also, I have never had any convincing evidence presented to me that he renounced his claims to Greek (and Danish) titles, and it is interesting that one of the Prince of Wales' godparents was Prince George of Greece and Denmark, the brother of Prince Philip's father.I read that Prince Philip still makes the Orthodox sign of the cross, and so I'll be interested to see if he does here. I wonder if he actually really embraced the Anglican faith, or simply did because he had to marry the Queen. (I hope his heart is still with Orthodoxy)
There's also similar icons in St. Paul's Cathedral, but with entrance fees to both St. Paul's and Westminster Abbey at around £15 per person (which I think is something like $25 USD), I won't be making repeat visits. Can't say much about Prince Philip, though I've heard, like genesisone pointed out, that he communes in Anglicanism, meaning that I would tend to agree with augustin717augustin717 said:as if it actually made one damned difference...88Devin12 said:I was pleased to see that there are two Orthodox icons in Westminster. Apparently these have been there for a while and were painted by Sergei Fyodorov.
I read that Prince Philip still makes the Orthodox sign of the cross, and so I'll be interested to see if he does here. I wonder if he actually really embraced the Anglican faith, or simply did because he had to marry the Queen. (I hope his heart is still with Orthodoxy)
The point being? Just because he communes as an Anglican doesn't mean that Orthodoxy still isn't in his heart. Of course he isn't Orthodox and of course he can't commune in an Orthodox Church.trifon said:There's also similar icons in St. Paul's Cathedral, but with entrance fees to both St. Paul's and Westminster Abbey at around £15 per person (which I think is something like $25 USD), I won't be making repeat visits. Can't say much about Prince Philip, though I've heard, like genesisone pointed out, that he communes in Anglicanism, meaning that I would tend to agree with augustin717augustin717 said:as if it actually made one damned difference...88Devin12 said:I was pleased to see that there are two Orthodox icons in Westminster. Apparently these have been there for a while and were painted by Sergei Fyodorov.
I read that Prince Philip still makes the Orthodox sign of the cross, and so I'll be interested to see if he does here. I wonder if he actually really embraced the Anglican faith, or simply did because he had to marry the Queen. (I hope his heart is still with Orthodoxy)
Fair enough. I said that I 'tend' to agree because yes, I don't know what is in the Prince's heart, nor the extent of Orthodoxy's influence on his life. I'm just curious how if the law stipulated only that he not be Roman Catholic, that the Prince would feel the need to commune in Anglicanism, or even that he even converted at all. I don't know. Pressure of some sort perhaps? A sincere belief in Anglicanism? I can't say.88Devin12 said:The point being? Just because he communes as an Anglican doesn't mean that Orthodoxy still isn't in his heart. Of course he isn't Orthodox and of course he can't commune in an Orthodox Church.trifon said:augustin717 said:as if it actually made one damned difference...88Devin12 said:I was pleased to see that there are two Orthodox icons in Westminster. Apparently these have been there for a while and were painted by Sergei Fyodorov.
I read that Prince Philip still makes the Orthodox sign of the cross, and so I'll be interested to see if he does here. I wonder if he actually really embraced the Anglican faith, or simply did because he had to marry the Queen. (I hope his heart is still with Orthodoxy)
There's also similar icons in St. Paul's Cathedral, but with entrance fees to both St. Paul's and Westminster Abbey at around £15 per person (which I think is something like $25 USD), I won't be making repeat visits. Can't say much about Prince Philip, though I've heard, like genesisone pointed out, that he communes in Anglicanism, meaning that I would tend to agree with augustin717
As Orthodox we don't believe that salvation can only be found in our Church. The people that treat it as such are teaching something that is heterodox; and no, I don't care if there are some saints that teach it, God forgive me, but they are wrong... salvation is up to God, not to man and not to membership in a specific Church. We know salvation is in our Church, we cannot ever say that salvation cannot be outside the Church.
The simple fact remains is that even if he left Orthodoxy, I have no doubt that it still effects his life and that the Holy Spirit still works in/with him.
My parents aren't members of the Orthodox Church, but I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit has been working in them. My father often prays the Jesus Prayer...
For Prince Philip, and indeed Prince Charles, though they aren't Orthodox, they still visit Mount Athos, and both have shown high regard for the Orthodox faith and Orthodox Christian countries. Prince Charles also has an icon corner in his residence. I have no doubt that Orthodoxy effects them.
Probably wished to appear more British as well. That was also the reason he took the surname of his maternal grandparents. There have been Orthodox members who married into the British royal family and retained their faith allegiances, so converting was not due to any succession law (as genesisone said).trifon said:I'm just curious how if the law stipulated only that he not be Roman Catholic, that the Prince would feel the need to commune in Anglicanism, or even that he even converted at all. I don't know. Pressure of some sort perhaps? A sincere belief in Anglicanism? I can't say.
No arguments from me on any of these points.88Devin12 said:The point being? Just because he communes as an Anglican doesn't mean that Orthodoxy still isn't in his heart. Of course he isn't Orthodox and of course he can't commune in an Orthodox Church.
As Orthodox we don't believe that salvation can only be found in our Church. The people that treat it as such are teaching something that is heterodox; and no, I don't care if there are some saints that teach it, God forgive me, but they are wrong... salvation is up to God, not to man and not to membership in a specific Church. We know salvation is in our Church, we cannot ever say that salvation cannot be outside the Church.
The simple fact remains is that even if he left Orthodoxy, I have no doubt that it still effects his life and that the Holy Spirit still works in/with him.
My parents aren't members of the Orthodox Church, but I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit has been working in them. My father often prays the Jesus Prayer...
For Prince Philip, and indeed Prince Charles, though they aren't Orthodox, they still visit Mount Athos, and both have shown high regard for the Orthodox faith and Orthodox Christian countries. Prince Charles also has an icon corner in his residence. I have no doubt that Orthodoxy effects them.
genesisone said:Did anyone else notice that this wedding on a Friday has taken place during a fast-free week? It's almost enough to make one wonder if the Prince of Wales said something like, "If you're going to be married on a Friday, here's the date you'll need."![]()
SourceWilliam and Kate wanted to marry on a Friday in spring and 29 April was chosen because it fell after Easter and Lent and before a busy political programme in May and June.
In 1947 it was very important to be very British, very patriotic. Undoubtedly there was plenty of social pressure for Prince Philip to appear as such. Apparently the fact that he had shown exemplary service in the Royal Navy during WWII was not sufficient.trifon said:Fair enough. I said that I 'tend' to agree because yes, I don't know what is in the Prince's heart, nor the extent of Orthodoxy's influence on his life. I'm just curious how if the law stipulated only that he not be Roman Catholic, that the Prince would feel the need to commune in Anglicanism, or even that he even converted at all. I don't know. Pressure of some sort perhaps? A sincere belief in Anglicanism? I can't say.
But did you read a bit further in the same article:Entscheidungsproblem said:genesisone said:Did anyone else notice that this wedding on a Friday has taken place during a fast-free week? It's almost enough to make one wonder if the Prince of Wales said something like, "If you're going to be married on a Friday, here's the date you'll need."
SourceWilliam and Kate wanted to marry on a Friday in spring and 29 April was chosen because it fell after Easter and Lent and before a busy political programme in May and June.
"The timing of the wedding is entirely a matter for the Royal Family. People are perfectly capable of seeing the difference... a day of celebration and a referendum and local election campaign," he (Mr Cameron) said.(emphasis mine)
Actually, in the OC wedding are still forbidden this week, the Bright Week/Easter Octave.genesisone said:No arguments from me on any of these points.88Devin12 said:The point being? Just because he communes as an Anglican doesn't mean that Orthodoxy still isn't in his heart. Of course he isn't Orthodox and of course he can't commune in an Orthodox Church.
As Orthodox we don't believe that salvation can only be found in our Church. The people that treat it as such are teaching something that is heterodox; and no, I don't care if there are some saints that teach it, God forgive me, but they are wrong... salvation is up to God, not to man and not to membership in a specific Church. We know salvation is in our Church, we cannot ever say that salvation cannot be outside the Church.
The simple fact remains is that even if he left Orthodoxy, I have no doubt that it still effects his life and that the Holy Spirit still works in/with him.
My parents aren't members of the Orthodox Church, but I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit has been working in them. My father often prays the Jesus Prayer...
For Prince Philip, and indeed Prince Charles, though they aren't Orthodox, they still visit Mount Athos, and both have shown high regard for the Orthodox faith and Orthodox Christian countries. Prince Charles also has an icon corner in his residence. I have no doubt that Orthodoxy effects them.
Did anyone else notice that this wedding on a Friday has taken place during a fast-free week? It's almost enough to make one wonder if the Prince of Wales said something like, "If you're going to be married on a Friday, here's the date you'll need."
It certainly has made it easy for me to enjoy a very Canadian breakfast of peameal bacon on an English muffin. (English muffins are no more English than French fries are French.)
So maybe that's why they had to have an Anglican wedding - and still serve whatever they like at the receptionaugustin717 said:Actually, in the OC wedding are still forbidden this week, the Bright Week/Easter Octave.genesisone said:Did anyone else notice that this wedding on a Friday has taken place during a fast-free week? It's almost enough to make one wonder if the Prince of Wales said something like, "If you're going to be married on a Friday, here's the date you'll need."![]()
Please see my reply to this post in a new thread on Salvation in Faith Topics. All discussion on this issue should be directed here:88Devin12 said:The point being? Just because he communes as an Anglican doesn't mean that Orthodoxy still isn't in his heart. Of course he isn't Orthodox and of course he can't commune in an Orthodox Church.trifon said:There's also similar icons in St. Paul's Cathedral, but with entrance fees to both St. Paul's and Westminster Abbey at around £15 per person (which I think is something like $25 USD), I won't be making repeat visits. Can't say much about Prince Philip, though I've heard, like genesisone pointed out, that he communes in Anglicanism, meaning that I would tend to agree with augustin717augustin717 said:as if it actually made one damned difference...88Devin12 said:I was pleased to see that there are two Orthodox icons in Westminster. Apparently these have been there for a while and were painted by Sergei Fyodorov.
I read that Prince Philip still makes the Orthodox sign of the cross, and so I'll be interested to see if he does here. I wonder if he actually really embraced the Anglican faith, or simply did because he had to marry the Queen. (I hope his heart is still with Orthodoxy)
As Orthodox we don't believe that salvation can only be found in our Church. The people that treat it as such are teaching something that is heterodox; and no, I don't care if there are some saints that teach it, God forgive me, but they are wrong... salvation is up to God, not to man and not to membership in a specific Church. We know salvation is in our Church, we cannot ever say that salvation cannot be outside the Church.
The simple fact remains is that even if he left Orthodoxy, I have no doubt that it still effects his life and that the Holy Spirit still works in/with him.
My parents aren't members of the Orthodox Church, but I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit has been working in them. My father often prays the Jesus Prayer..
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For Prince Philip, and indeed Prince Charles, though they aren't Orthodox, they still visit Mount Athos, and both have shown high regard for the Orthodox faith and Orthodox Christian countries. Prince Charles also has an icon corner in his residence. I have no doubt that Orthodoxy effects them.
In this country, it`s pretty difficult to not see any of the wedding, unless you stay away from all televisions today, and I would dare say, for a good deal of the weekend as well. :laugh:Tallitot said:Are you watching the wedding of William Windsor and Catherine Middleton?
In the Anglican tradition weddings aren't celbrated during Lent, Advent, Holy Week or on certain feast days. This was probably the earliest they could have the wedding.genesisone said:So maybe that's why they had to have an Anglican wedding - and still serve whatever they like at the receptionaugustin717 said:Actually, in the OC wedding are still forbidden this week, the Bright Week/Easter Octave.genesisone said:Did anyone else notice that this wedding on a Friday has taken place during a fast-free week? It's almost enough to make one wonder if the Prince of Wales said something like, "If you're going to be married on a Friday, here's the date you'll need."![]()
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Just please don't wear Beatrice's hatIsmiLiora said:Her dress was SO GORGEOUS. I wanted the same type of sleeves for my wedding dress! Hmph.
That's His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, Baron Carrickfergus, Royal Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Master of Arts & Her Royal Highness Princess William Arthur Philip Louis, Duchess of Cambridge, Countess of Strathearn, Baroness Carrickfergus to you, please stop direspecting royalty.Tallitot said:Are you watching the wedding of William Windsor and Catherine Middleton?
I'll give you that. If only the rest of the communion was like that! A decent, Orthodox service.Keble said:I watched it because I had to be up that early anyway. It was an excellent example of a decently-and-in-order Anglican service.
Yes, since his English mother died as an Orthodox nun and is buried near her aunt St. Elizabeth at St. Mary Magadelen Convent on the Mount of Olives, it is somewhat odd that's the side he gets the appearing more British from. The law is directed only at communicants of the Vatican: the groom's cousin just married someone in Canada who converted to Anglicanism to preserve his line to the throne. I think I saw that couple at the wedding.Entscheidungsproblem said:Probably wished to appear more British as well. That was also the reason he took the surname of his maternal grandparents. There have been Orthodox members who married into the British royal family and retained their faith allegiances, so converting was not due to any succession law (as genesisone said).trifon said:I'm just curious how if the law stipulated only that he not be Roman Catholic, that the Prince would feel the need to commune in Anglicanism, or even that he even converted at all. I don't know. Pressure of some sort perhaps? A sincere belief in Anglicanism? I can't say.
How so?88Devin12 said:I just spotted an Orthodox Bishop amidst the crowd. I noticed he wasn't singing with everyone else...
Apparently it is/was Archbishop Gregorios of Thyateira.
I find it interesting that as "opposed" as they are supposed to be to the Roman Catholics, at how many Roman Catholic bishops were invited.
Also, there were a few points where I felt like vomiting because of the somewhat poor representation of marriage that they were giving (even the Anglican Bishops). At least it's a better representation than much of the world, but it's still weak.
Aren't you the one who posted a link to a delightful spoof of the wedding? I thought you wanted a good laugh out of the dayTallitot said:Just please don't wear Beatrice's hatIsmiLiora said:Her dress was SO GORGEOUS. I wanted the same type of sleeves for my wedding dress! Hmph.
Yes, her sister Eugenie ran a close second. And I rather liked most everyone else's.genesisone said:Aren't you the one who posted a link to a delightful spoof of the wedding? I thought you wanted a good laugh out of the dayTallitot said:Just please don't wear Beatrice's hatIsmiLiora said:Her dress was SO GORGEOUS. I wanted the same type of sleeves for my wedding dress! Hmph.. BTW, HRH Princess Beatrice wasn't the only one wearing a hat I wouldn't want my wife to wear!