- Mar 8, 2006
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- Portland, Oregon
- Orthodox Christian
- Orthodox Church in America
That's all good if you intend only to convince yourself that you're right. However, if you're trying to prove your point to other people, such as our esteemed Keble, you're now putting yourself in position to have to convince him why he needs to hold so firmly to a particular authority (i.e., Webster's Dictionary) on the definitions of the words you use.ialmisry said:Yes, hence the phrase "By John Meyendorff." According to Mr. Webster, "by" indicated the author of a work. I know that you have decided that Webster doesn't define English (or perhaps not to your liking), but I'm going to go along with the US courts and other institutions who stand by it (according to Mr. Webster, that means "in conformity with").PeterTheAleut said:You do realize that all three of these links point to material written by one Fr. John Meyendorff?ialmisry said:The Orthodox Church which has so used the term in any Orthodox document, Orthodox literature etc in English that I have seen. If I've missed something, do please let me know.
Catholicity and the church By John Meyendorff
Living tradition: orthodox witness in the contemporary world By John Meyendorff
Yes. To support my point that Fr. Meyendorff isn't the Church.ialmisry said:Yes. So was St. Athanasius, who was exiled five times, and became a proverb Athanasius contra mundi. And St. Miletius, over whom a schism split the Church from Antioch all the way to Rome. And St. Flavian. And SS. Ignatius and Photios. And St. Gregory Palamas. And SS. Nilus and Joseph.PeterTheAleut said:You also realize that, despite the admiration you and I share for the theologian, he, together with his contemporary Fr. Alexander Schmemann, is a rather controversial figure among many Orthodox?
Was there a reason why you brought that up?
Well, you seem to be a whole lot of mouth right now, and not very convincing.ialmisry said:Well, if someone can find another Orthodox theologian who dealt with the term "denomination," I'm all ears.PeterTheAleut said:Even if Fr. Meyendorff wasn't so controversial, he is only one theologian among many. I would therefore hardly commend him as truly representative of the Orthodox Church based solely on his own authority.