We have spent hours discussing infant and believers' baptism, but it would interest me to know how you understand the baptism of converts from Islam, atheism, or other wholly non-Christian backgrounds. At what point is the person 'born again'? Putting it another way, at what point does he or she become a child of God? or yet another way, is united in spirit with Christ? Is it when (s)he believes in Christ as Saviour, Lord, Son of God, or is it at the moment of baptism?