Blasphemous and Heretical Musings of a Self-Styled Deity Claiming Unity of Belief Between Christianity and Hinduism

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[quote author=dattaswami]No thing like that.

God speaks through me the divine knowledge it is not me who gave the knoweldge it is the GOd who present in me gives it..
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:eek:

Wow. Just wow.
 

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Prayer of ordinary person Vs a high level devotee

Ganapati means the Lord of a group of close devotees, who have reached the climax of devotion. The word Gana does not mean the entire group of normal souls. Gana means a group of souls, who have become very close to the Lord by their unimaginable devotion. The Lord is certainly the master of all the souls, but the Gana is specially attached group of souls. The king is attached to the people in his kingdom, but he is specially attached to his family members.  There is difference in the intensity of the attachments. When the Lord incarnates on this earth in human form, these souls from the Gana also accompany the Lord. These liberated souls have no bondage of the cycle of deeds and their lives are totally planned by the Lord.

For example, if you take the life of Jesus, His crucifixion was not due to His past deeds and it was purely based on the will of the Lord, who planned such incident in His life for the sake of uplift of the society. Therefore, Jesus prayed “Let Thy will be done”. Here the crucifixion is according to the will of the Lord. The same statement cannot be uttered by an ordinary human being in such situation.  The crucifixion of other two persons in the same time was based on their sins. Therefore, they cannot utter this statement because their lives were based on their deeds and not on the plan of God’s will. In the case of these two ordinary human beings, the proper statement should be “Let the Law take its own course”.  Without this analysis, ordinary human beings also utter the former statement due to ignorance.

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dattaswami said:
Iconodule said:
dattaswami said:
Iconodule said:
dattaswami said:
Ortho_cat said:
You should start a church. I'll come visit out of curiousity...
What you mean by that....
I'll come to your church and start reading long essays out of a book. And then when people ask me questions, I'll answer with more essays.
If you read bible then you can see that Jesus was not sitting at Home and enjoying. He was traveling all over the place and was preaching the knoweldge of God. Poeple were sitting around HIm and was discussing asking questions and Jesus clarifiying with the knoweldge.
As opposed to cutting and pasting text from somewhere else?
God comes to this world for propagating the divine knowledge which is a serious job to be carried out efficiently...
No, God's word is nourishing and personal. You are selling spiritual fast food.
 

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Years ago, there was a baseball game with the Brewers and I forget who else, that went on for over 22 innings or so, because the pitchers kept throwing the ball into the stands- things like that.

:-\

This reminds me a little of that.
 

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No, God's word is nourishing and personal. You are selling spiritual fast food.
The knowledge spoken by the contemporary human incarnation in presence of your eyes, heard by your ears directly is divine knowledge. The main divinity here is that all your doubts are clarified directly and this is not possible when you read any scripture.
 

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By praying to remove difficulties you are disturbing God

Generally, people pray God to remove their difficulties. They do not know that by doing so, God has to interfere in His own cycle of administration. By doing so, God has to insult the deity of justice and this deity was appointed by God Himself to run the administration without any partiality. Having ordered so, God Himself will not show partiality on anybody under any circumstances. God will not contradict His own policy. If any administrator in this world contradicts his own policy, he is certified as a mad fellow certainly. Of course, if a particular soul is in the climax of devotion to God, passing all the acid tests of Datta, God will over rule His own policy as in the case of Markandeya. In fact, God even killed the deity of justice (Yamadharma Raja) in such special case.

Without analyzing its own status in the devotion, every soul prays God to violate the rule of justice and insult the deity of justice. Even though such insult is not mentioned directly in the prayer, the prayer means the same indirectly. Lord Krishna gave life to the dead son of Sandeepani and this was extreme case since the dead body was also destroyed long back.

Sandeepani was such a deserving person. Quoting this, Subhadra, the sister of Lord Krishna, prayed the Lord to give life to her dead son and the dead body was immediately available. But Lord did not give life to the dead body. Subhadra did not analyze the difference in the deservingness between her and Sandeepani. She thought that she deserves more than even Sandeepani, since she was the sister of Lord.
 

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dattaswami said:
By praying to remove difficulties you are disturbing God

Generally, people pray God to remove their difficulties. They do not know that by doing so, God has to interfere in His own cycle of administration. By doing so, God has to insult the deity of justice and this deity was appointed by God Himself to run the administration without any partiality. Having ordered so, God Himself will not show partiality on anybody under any circumstances. God will not contradict His own policy. If any administrator in this world contradicts his own policy, he is certified as a mad fellow certainly. Of course, if a particular soul is in the climax of devotion to God, passing all the acid tests of Datta, God will over rule His own policy as in the case of Markandeya. In fact, God even killed the deity of justice (Yamadharma Raja) in such special case.

Without analyzing its own status in the devotion, every soul prays God to violate the rule of justice and insult the deity of justice. Even though such insult is not mentioned directly in the prayer, the prayer means the same indirectly. Lord Krishna gave life to the dead son of Sandeepani and this was extreme case since the dead body was also destroyed long back.

Sandeepani was such a deserving person. Quoting this, Subhadra, the sister of Lord Krishna, prayed the Lord to give life to her dead son and the dead body was immediately available. But Lord did not give life to the dead body. Subhadra did not analyze the difference in the deservingness between her and Sandeepani. She thought that she deserves more than even Sandeepani, since she was the sister of Lord.
Did a butterfly kick you in the head, cause you to lose your mind?

No doubt in some circles, such incoherent babble is considered deep, to me, it only proves one will hear oceans, standing near you.


 

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Wow, just....wow. The "deity of justice?"
Nothing in that babble makes sense.

I bet he knows how to pick out shopping carts whose wheels don't wobble, even when overflowing with his belongings.
 

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Dear Dattaswami,

Please stop your "spiritual" prosyletizing on this forum. Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. (St. John 14:6) Christ is not a way. He is not a divine manifestation. He is not an enlightened guru or god. He is not merely one prophet amongst many others. Jesus Christ is Lord the Universe, the Second Person of the triune Godhead- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, One God!

You are disrespecting this forum with your unOrthodox views. Perhaps you are sincere, and I will assume that you are. But if you continue these types of posts, then you are violating the spiritual welfare and Christian intentions of this website. If indeed you mean well, then you will promote your heterodox ideas on your own website, not here.

Thank you and peace to you.


Selam
 

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On the contrary- Jesus is proof that God loves to help the undeserving.  :)
 

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dattaswami,

Thanks for sharing this with us, but your intentions are unclear.  Are you wanting to introduce us to the Sanatan Dharma or maybe enter into a dialogue about our similarities/differences?  Respectfully, Lord Krishna, Sandeepani, Subhadra, Yamadharma Raja are all alien to most, if not all, of us here.  
 

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theistgal said:
LOL - glad you showed up, Alfred, I was beginning to think that was you! :D
Is it fair the homeless can pick out shopping carts whose wheels don't wobble, every time, and I can't find one when I grocery shop?

Is that fair?

I believe the post is a prank, incoherent on purpose.

He is making fun of us...

People who do that, can also look through a key hole with both eyes, their brains are THAT big.

If wrong, I apologize...but its still incoherent, there is no addressing it.
 

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Mr. Antony was (and perhaps still is) a Master's student, and an entrepreneur. I wonder why he doesn't want to take more time for direct engagement in real discussion. The way he's using now certainly isn't of any effect. He could just as well post a PDF of a book.

???
 

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dattaswami said:
By praying to remove difficulties you are disturbing God

Generally, people pray God to remove their difficulties. They do not know that by doing so, God has to interfere in His own cycle of administration. By doing so, God has to insult the deity of justice and this deity was appointed by God Himself to run the administration without any partiality. Having ordered so, God Himself will not show partiality on anybody under any circumstances. God will not contradict His own policy. If any administrator in this world contradicts his own policy, he is certified as a mad fellow certainly. Of course, if a particular soul is in the climax of devotion to God, passing all the acid tests of Datta, God will over rule His own policy as in the case of Markandeya. In fact, God even killed the deity of justice (Yamadharma Raja) in such special case.

Without analyzing its own status in the devotion, every soul prays God to violate the rule of justice and insult the deity of justice. Even though such insult is not mentioned directly in the prayer, the prayer means the same indirectly. Lord Krishna gave life to the dead son of Sandeepani and this was extreme case since the dead body was also destroyed long back.

Sandeepani was such a deserving person. Quoting this, Subhadra, the sister of Lord Krishna, prayed the Lord to give life to her dead son and the dead body was immediately available. But Lord did not give life to the dead body. Subhadra did not analyze the difference in the deservingness between her and Sandeepani. She thought that she deserves more than even Sandeepani, since she was the sister of Lord.
We have no Lord but Jesus Christ. There is no God but the Holy Trinity.

 

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biro said:
Mr. Antony was (and perhaps still is) a Master's student, and an entrepreneur. I wonder why he doesn't want to take more time for direct engagement in real discussion. The way he's using now certainly isn't of any effect. He could just as well post a PDF of a book.

???
But so far you have not commented on the content or theme of the post.

 

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The point is you're not asking us anything, just throwing a lot of words at us. 

Ask a question if you want a discussion.
 

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dattaswami said:
The crucifixion of other two persons in the same time was based on their sins. Therefore, they cannot utter this statement because their lives were based on their deeds and not on the plan of God’s will. In the case of these two ordinary human beings, the proper statement should be “Let the Law take its own course”. 
Dear Brothers and Sisters, do not be misled by the rather superficial teachings of this "Swami."  His thoughts are far from those of Jesus Christ whom we worship as God.  It is to Him and His enlightened Saints that we look for teaching and guidance and not to a 21 year old American at Stamford University majoring in entrepreneurship!! 

The compassion of God is infinite and Saint Isaac the Syrian goes so far as to say that it outweighs His justice and the Law.


"Do not call God just, for His justice is not manifest in the
things concerning you. And if David calls Him just and upright, His
Son revealed to us that He is good and kind. 'He is good', He
says 'to the evil and to the impious.' How can you call God just
when you come across the Scriptural passage on the wage given to the
workers? How can a man call God just when he comes across the
passage on the prodigal son who wasted his wealth with riotous
living, how for the compunction alone which he showed, the father
ran and fell upon his neck and gave him authority over all his
wealth? Where, then, is God's justice, for while we are sinners
Christ died for us!"

and

"Among all God's actions there is none that is not entirely a
matter of mercy, love and compassion: this constitutes the beginning
and end of His dealings with us. ...God's mercifulness is far more
extensive than we can conceive."

and

"Just as a grain of sand will not balance in the scales against a
great weight of gold, such too is the case with God's justice when
it is weighed against His compassion. When compared with God's mind,
the sins of all flesh are like a grain of sand thrown in the sea.
Just as an abundantly flowing fountain is not blocked by a handful
of dust, so the Maker's mercy is not overcome by the wickedness of
those whom He has created."

and

"Mercy and just judgment existing in a single soul
is like a man worshipping God and idols in the same house.
Mercy is opposed to just judgment.
Just judgment is the equality of the balanced scale.
For it gives to each as is meet,
and does not incline to one side
or show partiality in recompense.
But mercy is pity aroused by Grace
and inclines a man compassionately to all;
and just as it does not requite the man who deserves harsh treatment,
it fills him to overflowing,
the man who deserves what is good.
And if mercy is on the side of righteousness,
then just judgment inclines towards evil;
and just as grass and fire cannot abide in the same house,
so neither do just judgment and mercy abide in the same soul.
Just as a grain of sand cannot counterbalance a large quantity of gold,
so God's necessary justice cannot, in like manner,
counterbalance His mercy."

- St. Isaac the Syrian

 

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On the contrary- Jesus is proof that God loves to help the undeserving.  :)
It is true only when you love Jesus PRACTICALLY and do not expect anything from Him. Your statement is valid only for those poor fishermen who sacrificed every thing for Jesus and worked for His mission, for such people it is valid.

God will never give anything free to any body. Proper deservigness is needed. Jesus Himself has quoted this.

Deservingness is essential otherwise God will be balmed as partial. God is impartial. Jesus did not give salvation to the other theif, He gave salvation to only a their who recgonised Him as God. This is by the deservingness of that theif that Jesus gave salvation, other thief was not deserving.

Similarly when Jesus was carrying cross, many people weeped, He told them, do not weep for Me you weep for yourself, beacuse very shortly all of you will enter into suffering days....


Also, Jesus only went to that particular lady who came for taking water from the well. Jesus never went to all the ladies. Because she was deserving by her sacrifice and love to Jesus.

There were many blind people in Israel when Jesus came but He gave vision to that particular blind person only, not to all the blind people existed in Israel, because that blind person deserved it.

Jesus selected only 12 people as His disciple when millions of people were there in Israel. Becuase only 12 people only could conquere jealosy and egoism and could recognise Jesus as God, and hence they are deserving Hence He selected them only. They were ready to work and sacrifice everything for Him.

When Jeusus came He gave life to Lazar, there were lot of people who died during Jesus time, Jesus did not give life to all these people, He gave life to Lazar, since he deserved that due to his devotion to Jesus.

Jesus preached in Parables only, because, only then interested people will stay back and ask the hidden meaning of parables. But He explained everything to His disciples since His disciples left everything for Him. Hence they deserved the divine knoweldge and hence Jesus explained everything to them.

Jeus told the parable of 10 virgins which shows the improatant of altertness to recogninse God when He comes to this world in human form.

All along the bible Jesus mentions about the importance of spiritual effort. NOw i do not understand why you are saying that nothing is needed you are saved etc!! Jesus never told that salvation is free gift.


 

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dattaswami said:
God will never give anything free to any body. Proper deservigness is needed. Jesus Himself has quoted this.
"...For he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."


 

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Iconodule said:
dattaswami said:
God will never give anything free to any body. Proper deservigness is needed. Jesus Himself has quoted this.
"...For he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
Have you completely read my reply?


Without eligibility, God will never give anything to anybody at any time. But the devotee must take the first step towards God. The necessity is for the devotee. The Veda says ‘Aptakamsya’ i.e., ‘God has attained everything and there is nothing which He has to achieve’. You have come near the sea with a pot. You should take a step into the water and make an effort to fill your pot.

Then the sea moves in to fill the pot with its water. Therefore human effort is necessary.
 

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Irish Hermit said:
dattaswami said:
The crucifixion of other two persons in the same time ..............soul.
Just as a grain of sand cannot counterbalance a large quantity of gold,
so God's necessary justice cannot, in like manner,
counterbalance His mercy."

- St. Isaac the Syrian
I am not misleading any one of you here. That is not at all my aim! My aim is to stress the importance of practical service to God without any expecation.
 

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You don't think it's possible for a husband to love his wife unselfishly?
There may be exceptional cases, but our love to our children is the highest, since they are born of our blood and we are attached to them more.
 

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GabrieltheCelt said:
dattaswami,

Thanks for sharing this with us, but your intentions are unclear.  Are you wanting to introduce us to the Sanatan Dharma or maybe enter into a dialogue about our similarities/differences?  Respectfully, Lord Krishna, Sandeepani, Subhadra, Yamadharma Raja are all alien to most, if not all, of us here.  
Thanks.....

There is only one God, He comes to this world in human form time to time to preach divine knowledge. God has to be here in humna form then only we can directly clarify our doubts from Him, by interaction and discussion. For this purpose God comes to this world in human form. The divine knoweldge preached by such God in human form removes all our doubts becuase God alone can preach about Himself. He is the author of all the scriptures of the world.
He is the source of the scriptures. Hence He alone can preach about HImself.

 

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Dear Brothers and Sisters, do not be misled by the rather superficial teachings of this "Swami."  His thoughts are far from those of Jesus Christ whom we worship as God.  It is to Him and His enlightened Saints that we look for teaching and guidance and not to a 21 year old American at Stamford University majoring in entrepreneurship!! 
I am not the person you mention!



Any way. If i mislead you then God will certainly punish me. He will punish me without all of your recommendation or prayer. You need not pray to God for my punishment. In His kingdom, nothing wrong will happen. He will take care of every issue. If something injustice happen it will be a black scar on Him. Thus God is very much alert that anybody else and am I a fool to get such severe punishment for misleading any of you?!!!!
 

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dattaswami said:
There are two paths of love on God. The path of limited real love on wife and the path of unlimited real love on children.
How sad, Swami, that you find yourself on neither path of love, with no wife and no children.  Your jargon is quite glib and your delivery is very smooth and it will convince your devotees but a lot of what you write is nonsensical.
 

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Dattaswami- I am curious how much time you have spent studying Orthodox Christianity and learning what the Orthodox Church teaches. So far you have given no indication that you know anything about Orthodoxy in particular nor that you are interested in learning anything. Why, therefore, should we be expected to engage with your numerous cut-and-paste essays?
 

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dattaswami said:
GabrieltheCelt said:
dattaswami,

Thanks for sharing this with us, but your intentions are unclear.  Are you wanting to introduce us to the Sanatan Dharma or maybe enter into a dialogue about our similarities/differences?  Respectfully, Lord Krishna, Sandeepani, Subhadra, Yamadharma Raja are all alien to most, if not all, of us here. 
Thanks.....

There is only one God, He comes to this world in human form time to time to preach divine knowledge. God has to be here in humna form then only we can directly clarify our doubts from Him, by interaction and discussion. For this purpose God comes to this world in human form. The divine knoweldge preached by such God in human form removes all our doubts becuase God alone can preach about Himself. He is the author of all the scriptures of the world.
He is the source of the scriptures. Hence He alone can preach about HImself.
There's the rub. We believe God was incarnate only once and for all, in Jesus Christ, the second Person of the Holy Trinity. 

Further, we have no lingering doubts or questions because he sent us the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Holy Trinity. He lives in the Church, which is mystically Christ's Body. The Spirit leads the Church into all truth.

And the next time we see the Incarnate Word of God and God, Jesus Christ, physically present on earth will be the second and final time: the dread judgment. 
 

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From your website:

"Swami means Lord and Datta means the Lord donated to human beings through a human body. Thus I am named as 'Datta Swami' by My devotees."

Since I'm not a devotee of yours, I reckon I'll call you Hugh Morris.  ;)
 

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"Swami means Lord and Datta means the Lord donated to human beings through a human body. Thus I am named as 'Datta Swami' by My devotees."

Since we aren't your devotees, we can't call you that.  I vote we call you Hugh Morris.  :) ;)
 

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GabrieltheCelt said:
dattaswami, Hugh Morris,

Thanks for sharing this with us, but your intentions are unclear.  Are you wanting to introduce us to the Sanatan Dharma or maybe enter into a dialogue about our similarities/differences?  Respectfully, Lord Krishna, Sandeepani, Subhadra, Yamadharma Raja are all alien to most, if not all, of us here.  
Since I'm not your devotee, I needed to go back and edit this.

Taken from your website:

"Swami means Lord and Datta means the Lord donated to human beings through a human body. Thus I am named as 'Datta Swami' by My devotees."
 
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