Blasphemous and Heretical Musings of a Self-Styled Deity Claiming Unity of Belief Between Christianity and Hinduism

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bogdan said:
dattaswami said:
biro said:
This would seem to be him.

http://younoodle.com/people/anil_antony

If you got your Master's from Stanford, didn't you learn about individual discussion? What's with all the copy-pasting?
When Jesus was struggling upon the cross, the theif who was also on the cross recognised Jesus as God even though Jesus was crying for help. This shows that the thief is not an ordinary preson and has love to Jesus.
Jesus never cried for help. Where are you getting this?
Matthew 27:46 .
[46] And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

 

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He was not crying for help. He was quotingPsalm 22, one of the most clear prophecies of the Old Testament about Christ:

PSALM 22

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? {why art thou so} far from helping me, {and from} the words of my roaring? {Aijeleth...: or, the hind of the morning} {helping...: Heb. my salvation}

O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent. {am...: Heb. there is no silence to me}

But thou {art} holy, {O thou} that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.

They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.

But I {am} a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, {saying}, {shoot...: Heb. open}

He trusted on the LORD {that} he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. {He trusted...: Heb. He rolled himself on} {seeing...: or, if he delight in}

But thou {art} he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope {when I was} upon my mother's breasts. {didst...: or, kept me in safety}

I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou {art} my God from my mother's belly.

Be not far from me; for trouble {is} near; for {there is} none to help. {none...: Heb. not a helper}

Many bulls have compassed me: strong {bulls} of Bashan have beset me round.

They gaped upon me {with} their mouths, {as} a ravening and a roaring lion. {gaped...: Heb. opened their mouths against me}

I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. {out of...: or, sundered}

My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

I may tell all my bones: they look {and} stare upon me.

They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.


But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. {my darling: Heb. my only one} {power: Heb. hand}

Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

My praise {shall be} of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

For the kingdom {is} the LORD'S: and he {is} the governor among the nations.

All {they that be} fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done {this}.

So not only, He was not crying out for help but was teaching all those who were around Who He truly is.
 

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Iconodule said:
dattaswami said:
Ortho_cat said:
You should start a church. I'll come visit out of curiousity...
What you mean by that....
I'll come to your church and start reading long essays out of a book. And then when people ask me questions, I'll answer with more essays.
If you read bible then you can see that Jesus was not sitting at Home and enjoying. He was traveling all over the place and was preaching the knoweldge of God. Poeple were sitting around HIm and was discussing asking questions and Jesus clarifiying with the knoweldge. When thus immersed in such discussion of knoweldge or Satsanga, one time He not even bothered when His mother St. Mary came to look for Him.

Thus when God comes in human form He preaches the knoweldge is breadth and depth so that the doubts are clarified in a most wonderful manner.
 

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bogdan said:
dattaswami said:
biro said:
This would seem to be him.

http://younoodle.com/people/anil_antony

If you got your Master's from Stanford, didn't you learn about individual discussion? What's with all the copy-pasting?
When Jesus was struggling upon the cross, the theif who was also on the cross recognised Jesus as God even though Jesus was crying for help. This shows that the thief is not an ordinary preson and has love to Jesus.
Jesus never cried for help. Where are you getting this?
Jesus cried on the cross, and told Why Father Why are you left Me alone...

The essence of the post is that even when Jesus was struggling on the cross, even after seeing such state of Jesus, that theif believed Him as God.
 

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Shanghaiski said:
Discussion requires contest. We need to know the exact sources of the tripe you're posting so often.
I give discourses and the discurses are recoreded and typed.

Very few of them are given below.

You can visit my web site also
www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace



April 2nd, 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/f5f2b69b-a39a-45b3-a819-9ecd4974d0e8/Discourse-on-2nd-April-2010
18 April 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/224bf4b6-f988-46f5-b5d6-c40e9d2809f6/Discourse-on-18-April-2010
March 7 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/26c14ce7-499e-481c-b2cd-3ddd24fa2019/March-7-2010
March 14 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/8b295057-6af6-44d3-a364-ec855d0b21d5/March-14-2010
March 28 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/809191ca-a574-4a78-9b40-ac557be40015/March-28-2010
February 2 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/da6fdf46-9522-4ffa-9931-653b03700039/Febuary-2-2010
Feb 7 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/cb86203a-ac1b-4ed2-ba65-91607c889059/Feb-7-2010
Feb 27 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/7dc19aa6-d792-4cec-a691-c2a3d82fe04c/Feb-27-2010
Jan 23 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/5b53b50e-6a52-4924-9200-ffb4844d9a57/Jan-23-2010
Jan 26 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/fed9074f-fb6f-4048-8038-cf6ab15d08c4/Jan-26,-2010
25 April 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/8e0be2d3-965b-4eb3-97fa-ac4cd385dabb/Discourse-on-25--April-2010
Shankara-Jayanthi-Message
http://www.esnips.com/doc/b5fd5007-a6a0-4500-a072-413599b02c52/Shankara-Jayanthi-Message
May-20-2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/5379b1e6-8861-421a-8971-e7610a787ef5/May-20-2010
July 4 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/017bd067-792f-4a5f-ba20-cbce63327496/4-July-2010
11 July 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/d0da717d-6467-4497-a300-3a969be3f860/11-July-2010
20 July 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/3db8f18c-c1e9-4b47-81f1-2832a3aeae32/20-July-2010

25 July 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/95fea621-58a6-40f2-86c5-90cf9d5c9ec9/25-July-2010-Divine_Discourse_By_Swami-GURUPURNIMA

http://www.esnips.com/doc/1907280b-54af-4654-a51c-50c1996896aa/25-July-2010-After-noon-message

25 July 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/95fea621-58a6-40f2-86c5-90cf9d5c9ec9/25-July-2010-Divine_Discourse_By_Swami-GURUPURNIMA
25 July 2010 After noon message
http://www.esnips.com/doc/1907280b-54af-4654-a51c-50c1996896aa/25-July-2010-After-noon-message
2 August 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/74faa0ab-97bc-4ca0-b431-576e86d7f8fd/August-2-2010
August 3, 2010
http://www.esnips.com/doc/567746ab-8e86-44ed-820c-fdf05b1eb7d2/August-3-2010
 

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http://www.esnips.com/web/DivineDiscoursesofSwami

http://www.esnips.com/web/KnowledgeaboutGodforall
 

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peccatorum said:
I think it is valid philosophically. We just have to ask properly: why is Karma philosophy innapropriate to Christianity? Why we do not believe in it?
Actually the answer is very simple: Since Jesus come to rescue our sins, our sins have no poweer over us, since we repenth. So we do not have to suffer to evolve.
Ad Majorem Gloriam Dei.
But lot of Jesus believers are suffering now also (no offense please). My point is that even after beleiving or accepting Jesus christ as saviour one should really stop doing sins and also should increase our love to Him and work for Him without expecting anything in return...
 

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peccatorum said:
I think it is valid philosophically.
Cycle of Deeds

The human being is entangled in the cycle of deeds called as karma chakra. The thought in the mind is the seed, which grows and generates action. The action certainly gives its result. Even if you escape the result of your action in this world you cannot escape from it in the upper world. In fact the result in the upper world is very severe due to the compounded interest due to the delay in getting the result. Therefore blessed are those who are punished in this world itself. Jesus says “It is better to punish yourself for your sin in this world itself than to fall into eternal hell”.

The punishment reduces the thought (which caused the deed) to the state of a tiny seedling. However the punishment cannot destroy the thought completely. The thought exists in a very minute called the state of subconsciousness. Even you are not aware of your subconscious thought. When the soul comes from hell to the earth and enters a new human body, the child contains all the qualities or thoughts of previous births, hidden in the subconscious state. Therefore the child is unaware of anything and appears to be the most innocent and sacred.

In the child the thoughts are like seeds that have not germinated. Whatever may be the external atmosphere in which the child grows; those strong thoughts will certainly germinate and grow up to be tender plants if not strong trees. But if the external atmosphere is favorable, the strong thoughts become trees, and weak thoughts will become plants. These germinated thoughts will result in corresponding actions. The actions will give their own fruits whether here or there. 

The fruits are the punishments, which will again reduce the thoughts to seeds. This is the cycle of the deeds. When it is said that you are enjoying the fruit of the action of your previous birth, it has to be understood in the context of this cycle. The action of your previous birth was punished in hell and has reduced your thought to the form of a seed. In this birth the seed grows and results in its corresponding action. Such action can give you its result in this world if you are captured here itself. The judicial system in this world also functions under the direction of the Lord only. If you have escaped the judicial system in this world, it too is by the will of Lord alone. The Lord might have judged your case and might have given you a chance of transformation.

Sometimes you are punished wrongly in a case. Do not abuse the court or God. Perhaps you are punished for some other sin. Do not think that you have escaped a punishment that you deserve just because the court finds you ‘not guilty’. Perhaps God is directing you for a severe punishment in hell, which cannot be provided by the court here. Therefore do not think that you have fooled the court or that the deity of justice is blind with a cloth tied on her eyes. Even this court is functioning according to the will of the Lord because the Lord governs everybody and everything in this world. Therefore do not blame God or do not say that God does not exist if some criminal escapes punishment of human courts.

Destroying the Seed

Now the main point is how to escape from this cycle? You cannot escape from this cycle by preventing the deed or punishment. If you are tied with a rope, you will not do the deed as long as you are tied. You will do the deed as soon as you are released from the rope. You may escape the result of your deed here by someone’s recommendations, but you cannot escape from it in hell. The only way to stop this cycle is to destroy the thought which is the initiating seed of this cycle. How to destroy it?

The seed is a thought which is a living property (sentient property) or a property of life. If it were an inert property like light or heat, it could be prevented by physical methods. Only knowledge, which is another living property, can destroy this thought. Only a diamond can cut another diamond. The wrong knowledge, which generates this sin, is dangerous. Ignorance, which is zero, is better than wrong knowledge, which is minus (negative). Therefore only righteous knowledge can destroy wrong thoughts. You can differentiate the right knowledge from the wrong knowledge through careful, patient analysis and discrimination. The knowledge of God alone can create devotion in your mind and develop it. Thus by knowledge alone can you get rid of this cycle and attain and please God. Shankara says “Jnanat eva tu kaivalyam”, which means that knowledge alone can give salvation. Jesus preached the same spiritual knowledge throughout His life.


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dattaswami said:
Iconodule said:
dattaswami said:
Ortho_cat said:
You should start a church. I'll come visit out of curiousity...
What you mean by that....
I'll come to your church and start reading long essays out of a book. And then when people ask me questions, I'll answer with more essays.
If you read bible then you can see that Jesus was not sitting at Home and enjoying. He was traveling all over the place and was preaching the knoweldge of God. Poeple were sitting around HIm and was discussing asking questions and Jesus clarifiying with the knoweldge.
As opposed to cutting and pasting text from somewhere else?
 

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Levels in Spirituality

Miracles are just fundamental level of elementary schools, which are widely spread everywhere, by the wish of God. Even evil people can do these miracles by black magic. The idea behind such wide covering range of miracles is that these miracles are useful in converting atheists into theists. For such elementary work, human incarnations or professors are not necessary.

The next level is Jnana Yoga, which is the level of high schools. The high schools are lesser in number than elementary schools because only some converted theists start the enquiry about the subject (Jnana Yoga) of the unimaginable God, since His existence was indirectly proved through the unimaginable miracles and He is the source of the unimaginable power behind the miracles.

The next higher level is formation of theoretical love (Bhakti Yoga) or devotion on the Lord since a few of the scholars of God get this and this level is the level of colleges.

The ultimate highest level is practical devotion (Karma Yoga) or service to God, which is the level of University and is very rare since a few of devotees only can become servants of God through practical sacrifice of work and fruit of work. The scientific analysis of divine knowledge (Jnana Yoga) is pervading all the four levels as the basic torchlight. In the first level, the existence of God is accepted. In the second level, the existence of unimaginable God is accepted.

In the third level, the representatives of God like statues in human form are worshipped by words and mind to get rid of ego and jealousy towards human form. In the fourth level, the decision of the final conclusion of the intellectual analysis results in detecting the contemporary human incarnation and involve in a practical service in His mission.



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It's as if he's posting his entire website. He's just throwing reams of stuff at us. There's very little discussion going on. 27 posts a day, of this?

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Is this like levels in dungeons and dragons? Does one need to earn experience points? Are there prestige classes?
 

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biro said:
It's as if he's posting his entire website. He's just throwing reams of stuff at us. There's very little discussion going on. 27 posts a day, of this?
::)
27!? He was at 31 posts a day when I looked at his profile yesterday! He better start posting more, he's falling behind!  ;D
 

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Papist said:
Is this like levels in dungeons and dragons? Does one need to earn experience points? Are there prestige classes?
Here level means ones real imporant and value which is given to God. Some people approach GOd only for selfishness and to get some benefit, certainly they are at the lowest level, there are people who really love GOd and work for Him without any expecation, ceratiainly in the eyes of God they are very dear to Him....Certainly there is difference in the approach of people to God......

Jesus was dearest to God since He sacrificed His own life for God's mission, and ordinary person cannot be compared to Jesus...........

 

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There are two paths of love on God. The path of limited real love on wife and the path of unlimited real love on children. The first path is aspiring boons from God for selfish happiness, which involves mostly theoretical and little practical devotion.

In this first path, one loves his wife for selfish happiness only and most of his love is emotional (Theoretical) with little practical sacrifice. The second path is selfless love without any aspiration of fruit in return and consists of mostly practical and little theoretical devotion. In this second path, one loves his child without any selfishness and a total sacrifice of work and fruit of work. Hanuman and Gopikas are the best Gold Medal-students of the University.

Once you are fixed in the divine service of God, there is no need of miracles, knowledge and theoretical devotion. The knowledge is the qualifying degree and the theoretical devotion is official appointment order. The practical devotion is the work done in the month and salary (fruit) is given to the monthly work only. Only work (Karma) can yield the fruit.




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Fabio Leite said:
He thinks we need illumination from his guru. A little spaming and the "burden" of being seen as unpolite is just the necessary sacrifice that a soul so compassionate as his has to go through to help those in darkness.

Arrogance and vanity, maybe lots of insecurity, the Alfred of hinduism. That's all.
No thing like that.

God speaks through me the divine knowledge it is not me who gave the knoweldge it is the GOd who present in me gives it..
 

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Iconodule said:
dattaswami said:
Iconodule said:
dattaswami said:
Ortho_cat said:
You should start a church. I'll come visit out of curiousity...
What you mean by that....
I'll come to your church and start reading long essays out of a book. And then when people ask me questions, I'll answer with more essays.
If you read bible then you can see that Jesus was not sitting at Home and enjoying. He was traveling all over the place and was preaching the knoweldge of God. Poeple were sitting around HIm and was discussing asking questions and Jesus clarifiying with the knoweldge.
As opposed to cutting and pasting text from somewhere else?
God comes to this world for propagating the divine knowledge which is a serious job to be carried out efficiently...
 

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NorthernPines said:

Dattaswami,

With but one exception that I've seen, every single one of your posts over the last 24 hours are verifiable copy, cut and paste jobs. I ask, in accordance with our forum rules, that you provide links and references for ALL of your copy and paste job postings. I will give you 24 hours to comply with this request. (though if you can do so faster, that would be appreciated) A Failure to provide references and links for where you are getting these copy and pasted posts will warrant further disciplinary action. Also please be aware, any future copy and pasted posts you make must also contain a link and reference for where it is you are getting them. If you haven't done so as of yet, please familiarized yourself with the forum rules and guidelines before flooding the boards with anymore posts.

Consider this an official warning but for the moment it is just that, a warning. If you disagree with warning you may appeal to Fr. George.

Northern Pines, Religious Topics Forum Moderator

Agreed......
 
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