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Not Sure Where to Post This....

As Anyone Heard Of This Person ,Jewish Orthodox Christian  Brother Nathanael,and  what he Has To Say About Jews ,Zionist, And  Politics...Here's a U=tub Video
Link ......http://www.youtube.com/results?search=Search&resnum=0&oi=spell&search_query=Brother+Nathanael&spell=1&sa=X
 

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stashko said:
Not Sure Where to Post This....

As Anyone Heard Of This Person ,Jewish Orthodox Christian  Brother Nathanael,and  what he Has To Say About Jews ,Zionist, And  Politics...Here's a U=tub Video
Link ......http://www.youtube.com/results?search=Search&resnum=0&oi=spell&search_query=Brother+Nathanael&spell=1&sa=X
Yeah, his name comes up rather often on this forum, usually followed by a series of catcalls.
 

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I think he posted here for a little while:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,8691.msg115146.html#msg115146

If you do a search, you'll find other threads discussing him.
 

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Salpy said:
I think he posted here for a little while:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,8691.msg115146.html#msg115146

If you do a search, you'll find other threads discussing him.
I didn't Know .....Thanks..
 

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I find his voice soothing... .. .
 

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I personally find no spiritual benefit in his speeches, or at least the ones I've listened to. He does claim on his webiste to be a ROCOR monk living seperately from the monastery where he first became a monk and lived for a number of years.
 

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He's a white supremacist and I have a very low opinion of ROCA- Agafangel for allowing him to publicly rave without any repercussions.
 

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Iconodule said:
He's a white supremacist and I have a very low opinion of ROCA- Agafangel for allowing him to publicly rave without any repercussions.
He's actually Orthodox? I thought he was just playing the part, so to speak.
 

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He's a white supremacist and I have a very low opinion of ROCA- Agafangel for allowing him to publicly rave without any repercussions.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Br. Nathaniel is with ROCOR-MP under Met. Hilarion, or at least he was with ROCOR-MP back in July of 2011 according to what he said on his website.
 

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searn77 said:
Iconodule said:
He's a white supremacist and I have a very low opinion of ROCA- Agafangel for allowing him to publicly rave without any repercussions.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Br. Nathaniel is with ROCOR-MP under Met. Hilarion, or at least he was with ROCOR-MP back in July of 2011 according to what he said on his website.
There seems to be no verifiable information that he was ever a.) Jewish or b.) Orthodox Christian.  I've read conflicting stories, but then again I haven't devoted more than 10 minutes of looking either.
 

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Hamartolos said:
searn77 said:
Iconodule said:
He's a white supremacist and I have a very low opinion of ROCA- Agafangel for allowing him to publicly rave without any repercussions.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Br. Nathaniel is with ROCOR-MP under Met. Hilarion, or at least he was with ROCOR-MP back in July of 2011 according to what he said on his website.
There seems to be no verifiable information that he was ever a.) Jewish or b.) Orthodox Christian.  I've read conflicting stories, but then again I haven't devoted more than 10 minutes of looking either.
Yea I went looking on his website awhile ago and posted on this board about it, as I was curious about it myself. Anyways here's the post I made which quotes where Br. Nathaniel claims to be with ROCOR-MP under Met. Hilarion, how he goes to the cathedral "Our Lady of the Sign" in Manhattan in the presence of Met. Hilarion and Bp. Jerome, and he receives communion as "Br. Nathaniel":
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,37755.msg599156.html#msg599156
 

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Interesting.  I know nothing of the ROCOR-MP or Met. Hilarion except things I've read here and there...but I cannot imagine ANY bishop allowing anyone affiliated with their Archdiocese to be preaching antisemitism on top of acting like a nut.
 

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I cannot imagine ANY bishop allowing anyone affiliated with their Archdiocese to be preaching antisemitism
You'd be surprised...
 

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Asteriktos said:
Hamartolos said:
I cannot imagine ANY bishop allowing anyone affiliated with their Archdiocese to be preaching antisemitism
You'd be surprised...
He doesn't preach antisemitism he preaches anti-Zionism. Which is fine by me. I like most of what he says but I can't stand watching him his movements are so goofy.
 

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Vlad said:
Asteriktos said:
Hamartolos said:
I cannot imagine ANY bishop allowing anyone affiliated with their Archdiocese to be preaching antisemitism
You'd be surprised...
He doesn't preach antisemitism he preaches anti-Zionism. Which is fine by me. I like most of what he says but I can't stand watching him his movements are so goofy.
It most definitely is antisemitism...claiming Jews are part of a NWO and have a secretive, dark mission to control the world is classical antisemitism.  Bigots always intrigued me because nothing they think requires actual intelligence as most often having knowledge would enlighten them.  "Christian" bigots are even more foul as they defile the body of Christ, who was Jewish, and yet are too simple to see the contradiction between Christ's message and their own idiocy. 
 

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Interesting.  I know nothing of the ROCOR-MP or Met. Hilarion except things I've read here and there...but I cannot imagine ANY bishop allowing anyone affiliated with their Archdiocese to be preaching antisemitism on top of acting like a nut.
Welcome to Russian Orthodoxy. 
 

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He preaches a lot against Zionism. It is difficult to separate Anti Semitism from Anti Zionism. Br Nathanael speaks a lot about Zionism, which can LOOK like anti Semitism. I don't think he's Anti Jew, he is a weird guy, no doubt about that. I could swear that I read he is NOT canonically Orthodox. Can anyone confirm this for me?
 

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PoorFoolNicholas said:
He preaches a lot against Zionism. It is difficult to separate Anti Semitism from Anti Zionism. Br Nathanael speaks a lot about Zionism, which can LOOK like anti Semitism. I don't think he's Anti Jew, he is a weird guy, no doubt about that. I could swear that I read he is NOT canonically Orthodox. Can anyone confirm this for me?
It's clear from the below videos that "Brother" Nathanael is a white supremacist. Where that leaves him vis-a-vis anti-Semitism/ anti-Zionism I don't know, but I don't really care either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q65ipz4vGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHK-xfH82OU
 

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Iconodule said:
PoorFoolNicholas said:
He preaches a lot against Zionism. It is difficult to separate Anti Semitism from Anti Zionism. Br Nathanael speaks a lot about Zionism, which can LOOK like anti Semitism. I don't think he's Anti Jew, he is a weird guy, no doubt about that. I could swear that I read he is NOT canonically Orthodox. Can anyone confirm this for me?
It's clear from the below videos that "Brother" Nathanael is a white supremacist. Where that leaves him vis-a-vis anti-Semitism/ anti-Zionism I don't know, but I don't really care either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q65ipz4vGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHK-xfH82OU
And frankly, I don't give a  ---- if he is 'canonical' or not - Such prattle is an embarrassment to us all. Bah.
 

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Back in 2005 or so, he looked me up on an Orthodox website I used to run. I told him to stop emailing me and at first he refused, saying "But all the young people love me!" I then threatened to find his bishop and report him. He reluctantly stopped emailing me then. He's a nutcase. I think he wants to play Holy Fool for Christ, but he has enough hate in his heart that I think he's really playing Holy Fool for the opposing team, as it were.
 

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Eugenio said:
I think he wants to play Holy Fool for Christ, but he has enough hate in his heart that I think he's really playing Holy Fool for the opposing team, as it were.
OCnet Quote of the Week nominee!
 

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Keble said:
Eugenio said:
I think he wants to play Holy Fool for Christ, but he has enough hate in his heart that I think he's really playing Holy Fool for the opposing team, as it were.
OCnet Quote of the Week nominee!
Seconded.
 

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searn77 said:
.. Br. Nathaniel claims to be with ROCOR-MP under Met. Hilarion,
I am sure you are mistaken and are, inadvertently, not telling the truth.  Nathanial could not claim to be a member of this "ROCOR-MP."  No such entity exists.  How can he claim to be a member of it?!
 

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As there are many synods which claim the name "ROCOR" or "ROCA", "ROCOR-MP" is a common acronym used in reference to the ROCOR synod in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate (MP). As there was an assumption that Br. Nathaniel was in the ROCOR synod under Met. Agafangel (ROCOR-A) which is not in communion with "mainline" Orthodoxy, I stated that Br. Nathaniel claimed to be in ROCOR-MP or in other words, the ROCOR synod in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate. I know Irish Hermit doesn't like the term ROCOR-MP but he knows what synod I was referencing and I thought it was rather obvious that I was using the term to show who Br. Nathaniel was in communion with. No offence was intended.
 

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ROCOR-MP is a denigratory term applied to the Russian Church Abroad (or Outside Russia) by dissidents such as yourself who deny that we are even baptized and go so far as to call us servants of Satan (I am sure you are familiar with this in your Metropolitan's Encyclical.)

It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it.  Some silly people insist on using RCRO - Roman Catholic Religious Organisation.  It's all quite silly!


searn77 said:
As there are many synods which claim the name "ROCOR" or "ROCA", "ROCOR-MP" is a common acronym used in reference to the ROCOR synod in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate (MP). As there was an assumption that Br. Nathaniel was in the ROCOR synod under Met. Agafangel (ROCOR-A) which is not in communion with "mainline" Orthodoxy, I stated that Br. Nathaniel claimed to be in ROCOR-MP or in other words, the ROCOR synod in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate. I know Irish Hermit doesn't like the term ROCOR-MP but he knows what synod I was referencing and I thought it was rather obvious that I was using the term to show who Br. Nathaniel was in communion with. No offence was intended.
 

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Irish Hermit said:
ROCOR-MP is a denigratory term applied to the Russian Church Abroad (or Outside Russia) by dissidents such as yourself who deny that we are even baptized and go so far as to call us servants of Satan (I am sure you are familiar with this in your Metropolitan's Encyclical.)

It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it.  Some silly people insist on using RCRO - Roman Catholic Religious Organisation.   It's all quite silly!


searn77 said:
As there are many synods which claim the name "ROCOR" or "ROCA", "ROCOR-MP" is a common acronym used in reference to the ROCOR synod in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate (MP). As there was an assumption that Br. Nathaniel was in the ROCOR synod under Met. Agafangel (ROCOR-A) which is not in communion with "mainline" Orthodoxy, I stated that Br. Nathaniel claimed to be in ROCOR-MP or in other words, the ROCOR synod in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate. I know Irish Hermit doesn't like the term ROCOR-MP but he knows what synod I was referencing and I thought it was rather obvious that I was using the term to show who Br. Nathaniel was in communion with. No offence was intended.
I used the term to clarify which ROCOR synod Br. Nathaniel was in communion with as someone thought he was in communion with a different ROCOR synod than the one you're a part of, so I don't see how I was being misleading. Some people use the term "EO" instead of typing out "Eastern Orthodox" or "RC" for "Roman Catholic." As for your other comments on the validity of baptisms or who the "servants of Satan" mentioned in my Metropolia's confession of faith, that is irrelevant to this thread. I didn't mean to mislead anyone as I thought I was clarifying which ROCOR synod he is a part of.

But I do not wish to derail this thread anymore as this is becoming off-topic.
 

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Irish Hermit said:
It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it. 
Clarity is always a good thing.  Considering the bizarre world of internet Orthodoxy, ROCOR-MP is a logical name. 
 

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searn77 said:
Irish Hermit said:
ROCOR-MP is a denigratory term applied to the Russian Church Abroad (or Outside Russia) by dissidents such as yourself who deny that we are even baptized and go so far as to call us servants of Satan (I am sure you are familiar with this in your Metropolitan's Encyclical.)

It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it.  Some silly people insist on using RCRO - Roman Catholic Religious Organisation.   It's all quite silly!


searn77 said:
As there are many synods which claim the name "ROCOR" or "ROCA", "ROCOR-MP" is a common acronym used in reference to the ROCOR synod in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate (MP). As there was an assumption that Br. Nathaniel was in the ROCOR synod under Met. Agafangel (ROCOR-A) which is not in communion with "mainline" Orthodoxy, I stated that Br. Nathaniel claimed to be in ROCOR-MP or in other words, the ROCOR synod in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate. I know Irish Hermit doesn't like the term ROCOR-MP but he knows what synod I was referencing and I thought it was rather obvious that I was using the term to show who Br. Nathaniel was in communion with. No offence was intended.
I used the term to clarify which ROCOR synod Br. Nathaniel was in communion with as someone thought he was in communion with a different ROCOR synod than the one you're a part of, so I don't see how I was being misleading. Some people use the term "EO" instead of typing out "Eastern Orthodox" or "RC" for "Roman Catholic." As for your other comments on the validity of baptisms or who the "servants of Satan" mentioned in my Metropolia's confession of faith, that is irrelevant to this thread. I didn't mean to mislead anyone as I thought I was clarifying which ROCOR synod he is a part of.

But I do not wish to derail this thread anymore as this is becoming off-topic.
To bring this back on topic --- Nathanael Kapner may have left the Russian Church or he may still be with us, I do not know.  But he does not now, and never did,  belong to anything called ROCOR-MP.    Neither do I.  Neither does Metropolitan Hilarion.
 

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Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it. 
Clarity is always a good thing.  Considering the bizarre world of internet Orthodoxy, ROCOR-MP is a logical name. 
It is not the name of our Church.  What more needs to be said? 

The fact that around 12 (someone said they have reached 12?) newly created dissident groups now want to steal our name is another matter.  Perhaps we should prefix or suffix them all with Ps for "pseudo"?
 

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Irish Hermit said:
Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it. 
Clarity is always a good thing.  Considering the bizarre world of internet Orthodoxy, ROCOR-MP is a logical name. 
It is not the name of our Church.  What more needs to be said? 

The fact that around 12 (someone said they have reached 12?) newly created dissident groups now want to steal our name is another matter.  Perhaps we should prefix or suffix them all with Ps for "pseudo"?
It is an accurate description of your church, or are you embarrassed to be associated with the MP? 
 

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Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it. 
Clarity is always a good thing.  Considering the bizarre world of internet Orthodoxy, ROCOR-MP is a logical name. 
:laugh:  I suggest "GOA-Ph" because most people can mistakenly think it is an archdiocese of the Church of Greece.  Of course it is not.  It is an archdiocese subordinate to Constantinople.
 

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Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it. 
Clarity is always a good thing.  Considering the bizarre world of internet Orthodoxy, ROCOR-MP is a logical name. 
It is not the name of our Church.  What more needs to be said? 

The fact that around 12 (someone said they have reached 12?) newly created dissident groups now want to steal our name is another matter.  Perhaps we should prefix or suffix them all with Ps for "pseudo"?
It is an accurate description of your church, or are you embarrassed to be associated with the MP? 
We are the one and only canonical "Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia" (or "Russian Orthodox Church Abroad").

That is our name.  The acronyms are ROCOR and ROCA.

I undersatnd that it is decent behaviour to address people and Churches as they desire.
 

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Irish Hermit said:
Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it. 
Clarity is always a good thing.  Considering the bizarre world of internet Orthodoxy, ROCOR-MP is a logical name. 
:laugh:  I suggest "GOA-Ph" because most people can mistakenly think it is an archdiocese of the Church of Greece.  Of course it is not.  It is an archdiocese subordinate to Constantinople.
It depends on the context.  If there is a discussion where the two are likely to be confused, simply saying GOA may not be the best choice.  In this case we are dealing with a jurisdiction hopping nutter (and these types love the various übertrue whatever jurisdictions) hence clarify that ROCOR here in fact means the mainstream ROCOR that is part of the MP is logical.  Depending on with whom I'm conversing I alternate being being Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox or UOC-MP depending on the level of clarity desired.
 

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Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it. 
Clarity is always a good thing.  Considering the bizarre world of internet Orthodoxy, ROCOR-MP is a logical name. 
:laugh:  I suggest "GOA-Ph" because most people can mistakenly think it is an archdiocese of the Church of Greece.  Of course it is not.  It is an archdiocese subordinate to Constantinople.
It depends on the context.  If there is a discussion where the two are likely to be confused, simply saying GOA may not be the best choice.  In this case we are dealing with a jurisdiction hopping nutter (and these types love the various übertrue whatever jurisdictions) hence clarify that ROCOR here in fact means the mainstream ROCOR that is part of the MP is logical.  Depending on with whom I'm conversing I alternate being being Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox or UOC-MP depending on the level of clarity desired.
The acronym was created by dissidents.  It says that we are part of the smorgasbord of about 12 uncanonical groups which are using it.
 

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Irish Hermit said:
Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it. 
Clarity is always a good thing.  Considering the bizarre world of internet Orthodoxy, ROCOR-MP is a logical name. 
:laugh:  I suggest "GOA-Ph" because most people can mistakenly think it is an archdiocese of the Church of Greece.  Of course it is not.  It is an archdiocese subordinate to Constantinople.
It depends on the context.  If there is a discussion where the two are likely to be confused, simply saying GOA may not be the best choice.  In this case we are dealing with a jurisdiction hopping nutter (and these types love the various übertrue whatever jurisdictions) hence clarify that ROCOR here in fact means the mainstream ROCOR that is part of the MP is logical.  Depending on with whom I'm conversing I alternate being being Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox or UOC-MP depending on the level of clarity desired.
The acronym was created by dissidents.  It says that we are part of the smorgasbord of about 12 uncanonical groups which are using it.
No, it says you are a part of the MP.  It rather swiftly distinguishes you from the others.  I'm trying to imagine a conversation:

Unwashed sinner:  Nice robes and bling, what church do you belong to?
The Holy Starets: ROCA
Unwashed sinner: Isn't that a brand of clothing?
The Holy Starets: ROCOR
Unwashed sinner: What is that?
The Holy Starets: That's the official name of the church
Unwashed sinner: hmmm, so you mean like the MP? 
The Holy Starets: NO!!!!! ROCOR. 
 

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We have an official name, well, two actually.

We have our official acronyms.

Please, nobody try and foist others on us, and especially ones which we do not accept.  That's an attempt at bullying.

Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
Νεκτάριος said:
Irish Hermit said:
It is misleading at best to create an acronym for a Church when you know quite well that the Church does not use it.  
Clarity is always a good thing.  Considering the bizarre world of internet Orthodoxy, ROCOR-MP is a logical name.  
:laugh:  I suggest "GOA-Ph" because most people can mistakenly think it is an archdiocese of the Church of Greece.  Of course it is not.  It is an archdiocese subordinate to Constantinople.
It depends on the context.  If there is a discussion where the two are likely to be confused, simply saying GOA may not be the best choice.  In this case we are dealing with a jurisdiction hopping nutter (and these types love the various übertrue whatever jurisdictions) hence clarify that ROCOR here in fact means the mainstream ROCOR that is part of the MP is logical.  Depending on with whom I'm conversing I alternate being being Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox or UOC-MP depending on the level of clarity desired.
The acronym was created by dissidents.  It says that we are part of the smorgasbord of about 12 uncanonical groups which are using it.
No, it says you are a part of the MP.  It rather swiftly distinguishes you from the others.  I'm trying to imagine a conversation:

Unwashed sinner:  Nice robes and bling, what church do you belong to?
The Holy Starets: ROCA
Unwashed sinner: Isn't that a brand of clothing?
The Holy Starets: ROCOR
Unwashed sinner: What is that?
The Holy Starets: That's the official name of the church
Unwashed sinner: hmmm, so you mean like the MP?  
The Holy Starets: NO!!!!! ROCOR.  
 

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Irish Hermit said:
We have an official name, well, two actually.

We have our official acronyms.

Please, nobody try and foist others on us, and especially ones which we do not accept.  That's an attempt at bullying.
It is about clarification.  I've identified myself as Russian Orthodox (despite that being nowhere in the official name of my church) for the sake of clarification. 
 
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