- Sep 26, 2004
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Can someone explain their history and how they differ from orthodoxy ?
That's right, Father. At the time of the 1596 union that started it the Ukrainian Catholic Church included the metropolia of Kiev which included not only the central Ukraine but I think also extended north into Byelorussia; all that land was ruled by Poland (then a potential big power) at the time. Then this church shrank back to its present Galician homeland (the far southwestern Ukraine, centred in Lemberg/L'vov) when the Russians got Byelorussia and most of the Ukraine (and outlawed the Byzantine Catholic Church in all Russian territories). Galicia was Polish (and that part of Poland Austrian until World War I) until World War II.Deacon Lance said:Orthodoc,
Only the Belarusan and Ukrainian Churches were ever under Polish dominion.
The Filioque was added by the Ukrainians at the Synod of Zamosc under their own misguided initiative.
Fr. Deacon Lance
I've read somewhere that at the time (the early 1600s) the Hungarian rulers weren't Catholic but Calvinist* and trying to turn their Carpatho-Russian (Ruthenian) subjects into Calvinists. For some reason (the Turks?) Constantinople wasn't in a position to help the Carpatho-Russians. So on their own they went to the Roman Catholics for help.Orthodoc said:And the Carpatho Russians (including the priests) were under serfdom to their Hungarian (also Roman Catholic) landlords.
By swearing allegiance to the Pope, the clergy were freed from serfdom so the landlords didn't have our priests working their fields anymore.
They are closer to the Roman Catholics because they are in communion with the Pope. As for their theology and Liturgicals practices, I don't know.Krysostomos said:Is it so, that in fact the so called byzantine or eastern catholic churches should be closer to the orthdox ones than the roman one?!?
Are the theology, tradition & liturgical practices similar to the orthodox or oriental churches rather than to the roman catholic church?
If you don't know about their theology then how can you say they are closer to Roman Catholicism?Meekle said:They are closer to the Roman Catholics because they are in communion with the Pope. As for their theology and Liturgicals practices, I don't know.
Closeness is determined by whom they are in communion with. Similarity is determined by other factors. I was answering the question of closeness, not similarity.Anastasios said:If you don't know about their theology then how can you say they are closer to Roman Catholicism?
So the eastern catholic churches accepts all "new" roman catholic dogmas?!? I never have been quite sure about it...Anastasios said:Liturgically they are closer to Orthodox but what distinguishes Orthodox from Byzantine Catholics is the latter's acceptance of the post-schism western errors which have been officially and synodically condemned as heretical by the Orthodox Church on multiple occasions, which far outweighs differences in liturgical style.
Some will say they flat out don't; more common will be that they will say that we believe the same things but express them slightly differently or that neither side has officially condemned the other (which is historically untrue) and that therefore things like papal infallibility can be worked out; the rank-and-file will say of course they accept all post-schism dogmas, after all that's why they are in communion and subject to the universal jurisdiction of the papacy.Krysostomos said:So the eastern catholic churches accepts all "new" roman catholic dogmas?!? I never have been quite sure about it...
A History of the Russian Catholic Church on the Web. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. The entire brief history of Byzantine Catholicism in Russia is a masterpiece of ineptitude. Truly, after reading this history, the Orthodox could be justified in thinking that God and His holy Mother are protecting the Russian people by sowing confusion among those who would wish to subvert holy Orthodoxy.The young fogey said:And most of them have disobeyed Rome and latinised themselves - trading their own rite's customs for Roman Catholic ones. (Exceptions: the Melkite Church, which is the analogue to the Antiochian Orthodox, and the tiny Russian Catholic Church, the 100-year-old analogue to the Russian Orthodox.)