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Canonical situation with the French Orthodox Church?

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I need to study abroad to complete my double major, and initially I was thinking Japan, but I'm open to France. If I were to stay in Angers or Rouen, say, there appear to be French Orthodox Churches in that general vicinity. I'm curious what their canonical situation is, they were in communion at one point and fell out of communion. Would taking communion there be a bad idea?
 

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xOrthodox4Christx said:
I need to study abroad to complete my double major, and initially I was thinking Japan, but I'm open to France. If I were to stay in Angers or Rouen, say, there appear to be French Orthodox Churches in that general vicinity. I'm curious what their canonical situation is, they were in communion at one point and fell out of communion. Would taking communion there be a bad idea?
If it were me, I would try to go to the ROCOR and MP churches in France and if there were none nearby, I would ask them the question that you are asking here.
 

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Basically the same situation as the Lusitanian Orthodox Church: Westerners decided to build national authentic Orthodoxy from scratch, were eventually received by a canonical synod, then some inner problems arose and the synod cut the primate off, after which many followed him, although keeping the Orthodox Catholic faith. Fortunately the Brazilian Orthodox Church managed not to be thrown into this sad fate and returned to Polish omophorion.
 

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It's a great idea if you want to excommunicate yourself.
 

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xOrthodox4Christx said:
hecma925 said:
It's a great idea if you want to excommunicate yourself.
There hasn't been any dialogue to re-establish communion?
Take it up with Romania, although some parishes did go with the Serbian diocese out there.
 

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RaphaCam said:
although keeping the Orthodox Catholic faith.
Not possible outside of the Church. We don't believe in abstract set of dogmas but in the Catholic and Apostolic Church.
 

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Alpo said:
RaphaCam said:
although keeping the Orthodox Catholic faith.
Not possible outside of the Church. We don't believe in abstract set of dogmas but in the Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Lusitanians and probably French too think they're the same Church as us somehow, just maybe in some awkward hiatus. So in some sense they believe in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
 

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RaphaCam said:
Basically the same situation as the Lusitanian Orthodox Church: Westerners decided to build national authentic Orthodoxy from scratch, were eventually received by a canonical synod, then some inner problems arose and the synod cut the primate off, after which many followed him, although keeping the Orthodox Catholic faith. Fortunately the Brazilian Orthodox Church managed not to be thrown into this sad fate and returned to Polish omophorion.
The EP has a decent presence in Brazil.  I know of a good number of UOCofUSA parishes are there.
 

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LizaSymonenko said:
RaphaCam said:
Basically the same situation as the Lusitanian Orthodox Church: Westerners decided to build national authentic Orthodoxy from scratch, were eventually received by a canonical synod, then some inner problems arose and the synod cut the primate off, after which many followed him, although keeping the Orthodox Catholic faith. Fortunately the Brazilian Orthodox Church managed not to be thrown into this sad fate and returned to Polish omophorion.
The EP has a decent presence in Brazil.  I know of a good number of UOCofUSA parishes are there.
Yeah, it does, we have a large Ukrainian community, mostly Eastern Catholic, but some Orthodox faithful too. But I was specifically talking about Orthodox Christians under Archbishop Chrysostom of Rio and Bishop Ambrose of Recife, who are occasionally referred to as the "Brazilian Orthodox Church", but are part of the Polish Orthodox Church, which was a difficult situation to sustain after Portuguese bishops entered in schism. But we managed to do it, which could be an example to groups in similar canonical situations.
 

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RaphaCam said:
LizaSymonenko said:
RaphaCam said:
Basically the same situation as the Lusitanian Orthodox Church: Westerners decided to build national authentic Orthodoxy from scratch, were eventually received by a canonical synod, then some inner problems arose and the synod cut the primate off, after which many followed him, although keeping the Orthodox Catholic faith. Fortunately the Brazilian Orthodox Church managed not to be thrown into this sad fate and returned to Polish omophorion.
The EP has a decent presence in Brazil.  I know of a good number of UOCofUSA parishes are there.
Yeah, it does, we have a large Ukrainian community, mostly Eastern Catholic, but some Orthodox faithful too. But I was specifically talking about Orthodox Christians under Archbishop Chrysostom of Rio and Bishop Ambrose of Recife, who are occasionally referred to as the "Brazilian Orthodox Church", but are part of the Polish Orthodox Church, which was a difficult situation to sustain after Portuguese bishops entered in schism. But we managed to do it, which could be an example to groups in similar canonical situations.
Yeah, that's good you stay with us, guys ;)
But seriosuy speaking, it's quite exceptional, that a small group, despite the fact that the majority of it has fallen apart, managed to not be vagante again.
 

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Dominika said:
RaphaCam said:
LizaSymonenko said:
RaphaCam said:
Basically the same situation as the Lusitanian Orthodox Church: Westerners decided to build national authentic Orthodoxy from scratch, were eventually received by a canonical synod, then some inner problems arose and the synod cut the primate off, after which many followed him, although keeping the Orthodox Catholic faith. Fortunately the Brazilian Orthodox Church managed not to be thrown into this sad fate and returned to Polish omophorion.
The EP has a decent presence in Brazil.  I know of a good number of UOCofUSA parishes are there.
Yeah, it does, we have a large Ukrainian community, mostly Eastern Catholic, but some Orthodox faithful too. But I was specifically talking about Orthodox Christians under Archbishop Chrysostom of Rio and Bishop Ambrose of Recife, who are occasionally referred to as the "Brazilian Orthodox Church", but are part of the Polish Orthodox Church, which was a difficult situation to sustain after Portuguese bishops entered in schism. But we managed to do it, which could be an example to groups in similar canonical situations.
Yeah, that's good you stay with us, guys ;)
But seriosuy speaking, it's quite exceptional, that a small group, despite the fact that the majority of it has fallen apart, managed to not be vagante again.
Glory be to God! Some parishes did a similar thing in the French schism, though. Still a very sad situation, I have a lot of sympathy for the group in Portugal and I hope they can be eventually restored. It seems Metropolitan John got his name too tarnished, though...
 
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