Catholics commune in Armenian church?

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I've read/heard that the Armenian church will commune Catholics, and that in Armenia, there is less differentiation between the Armenian Catholic and the Armenian Orthodox. Why is this???  Are there any official statements on this in the Armenian church?
 

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I also just read this. "The Syriac and Armenian Orthodox (along with at least one Orthodox jurisdiction in India) do commune Catholics with the full consent and agreement of both the Catholic and Orthodox leadership." from another forum.  Is that true???
 

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Anastasia1 said:
I also just read this. "The Syriac and Armenian Orthodox (along with at least one Orthodox jurisdiction in India) do commune Catholics with the full consent and agreement of both the Catholic and Orthodox leadership." from another forum.  Is that true???
It would be very unfortunate if it were true. :(
 

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Severian said:
Anastasia1 said:
I also just read this. "The Syriac and Armenian Orthodox (along with at least one Orthodox jurisdiction in India) do commune Catholics with the full consent and agreement of both the Catholic and Orthodox leadership." from another forum.  Is that true???
It would be very unfortunate if it were true. :(
I have not read this about the Syriacs but I thought it common knowledge with the Armenians.
 

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Severian said:
Anastasia1 said:
I also just read this. "The Syriac and Armenian Orthodox (along with at least one Orthodox jurisdiction in India) do commune Catholics with the full consent and agreement of both the Catholic and Orthodox leadership." from another forum.  Is that true???
It would be very unfortunate if it were true. :(
Why unfortunate?

It just depends where you want to draw the line of ecumenism, which is pretty arbitrary between OO churches.

Some coptic churches have proudly adminsitered the sacraments, on a regular basis, to all sorts of Chalcedonian species (Byzantine, Latin and Prots) in the GTA area of Ontario, Canada. We should not protest when Armenians follow our blessed actions, if these news are true.  

Chalcedonians believe in the Trinity, the incarnation, same christian morals. This is enough. Why should we complicate matters when we have everything reduced to the common denominator?
 

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Αριστοκλής said:
Severian said:
Anastasia1 said:
I also just read this. "The Syriac and Armenian Orthodox (along with at least one Orthodox jurisdiction in India) do commune Catholics with the full consent and agreement of both the Catholic and Orthodox leadership." from another forum.  Is that true???
It would be very unfortunate if it were true. :(
I have not read this about the Syriacs but I thought it common knowledge with the Armenians.
It is? 

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
 

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Aram said:
Αριστοκλής said:
Severian said:
Anastasia1 said:
I also just read this. "The Syriac and Armenian Orthodox (along with at least one Orthodox jurisdiction in India) do commune Catholics with the full consent and agreement of both the Catholic and Orthodox leadership." from another forum.  Is that true???
It would be very unfortunate if it were true. :(
I have not read this about the Syriacs but I thought it common knowledge with the Armenians.
It is? 

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Given that it has been posted here several times over the years and that we have a moderator who is Armenian and a hawk when it comes to spotting inaccuracies about her church, it would seem so. But then, THIS is the Internet as much as your post is also.

So...it is true, whether common, or common knowledge, or not?
 

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Wow, a hawk!  Makes me sound kind of dangerous.  :)

Actually, I was kind of surprised by this thread when I first saw it.  I've never heard it stated by anyone reliable that the Armenian Church officially communes Catholics.  Could there be individual priests, or even bishops, who have done it?  I have no doubt that's happened.  That doesn't make it official policy, though.
 

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Salpy said:
Wow, a hawk!  Makes me sound kind of dangerous.   :)

Actually, I was kind of surprised by this thread when I first saw it.  I've never heard it stated by anyone reliable that the Armenian Church officially communes Catholics.  Could there be individual priests, or even bishops, who have done it?  I have no doubt that's happened.  That doesn't make it official policy, though.
You are dangerous, my sweet!  :D

The OP did not mention "official"; I assumed general practice which was the impression I've gotten. But whatever you say.
 

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The Syriacs definitely commune all baptized Christians. At the last Syriac liturgy I attended, served by Mor Filoksenos Yusuf Cetin, the bishop of Istanbul, it was announced that all baptized Christians could commune and a number of Anglicans and Roman Catholics did so. This is consistent with what I've seen and been told by other Syriac clergy. (And, for that matter, is the policy of most churches in the Middle East in practice...)
 

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You are dangerous, my sweet! 

The OP did not mention "official"; I assumed general practice which was the impression I've gotten. But whatever you say.
I read Anastasia's first couple of posts as asking about official policy.  I could be wrong, though.  

I can't opine on general "unofficial" practice, as my experience is pretty limited to California.  There is a strong ecumenical sentiment where I am, which may lead some clergy to commune Catholics, although I can't say for sure.  I really could not say how widespread or common the practice is.
 

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Samn! said:
The Syriacs definitely commune all baptized Christians. At the last Syriac liturgy I attended, served by Mor Filoksenos Yusuf Cetin, the bishop of Istanbul, it was announced that all baptized Christians could commune and a number of Anglicans and Roman Catholics did so. This is consistent with what I've seen and been told by other Syriac clergy. (And, for that matter, is the policy of most churches in the Middle East in practice...)
I've never seen this happen in an Armenian church, nor have I ever heard of that happening.  

What I was talking about was the possibility of individual clergy deciding to commune Catholics who may present themselves to the priest during communion.  Like I said, I would not be surprised if that has happened.  I don't, however, see what was described above in the Syriac Church ever happening in an Armenian parish.

 

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OKAY with me!

I'll take that answer as our search function is too poor to locate our past threads on this and I've no pony in this race anyway.
 

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Samn! said:
The Syriacs definitely commune all baptized Christians. At the last Syriac liturgy I attended, served by Mor Filoksenos Yusuf Cetin, the bishop of Istanbul, it was announced that all baptized Christians could commune and a number of Anglicans and Roman Catholics did so. This is consistent with what I've seen and been told by other Syriac clergy. (And, for that matter, is the policy of most churches in the Middle East in practice...)
This behavior is shameful. :(
 

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I don't know what Mor Philoxenos Yusuf Cetin announced at a given date but as Salpy wrote it isn't official policy of the Syriac Church either (though I'm sure it's happened).

The Ecumenical Summit at Rome in 1984

It is in this background that the dialogue initiated by their predecessors were continued by their Holinesses Patriarch Mor Ignatius Zakka and Pope John Paul II.

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We thus mark real progress on the path to unity, and we hope that, having confessed together Jesus Christ true God and true man as our one Lord, he will give us the grace to overcome the divergences which remain and which hinder full canonical and Eucharistic communion between us. We bless God for what we have regained in brotherhood already and for the advances we have made together.
I believe that is the last meeting of that kind with the RO-SOC only.

Also, I posted this video in another thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S91OyQBJqI4

This is more recent. Listen to 9:00 to 9:22: "if the catholic church they haven't church in one of the cities of Syria or everywhere and there is Syrian...". He wouldn't have said "if the Catholics don't have a Church" if it was OK either way.

If this was an official policy of the Church then the inter-communion with the Melkite Orthodox wouldn't be anything "special" (or something to specifically mention).
 

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Salpy said:
You are dangerous, my sweet! 

The OP did not mention "official"; I assumed general practice which was the impression I've gotten. But whatever you say.
I read Anastasia's first couple of posts as asking about official policy.  I could be wrong, though.  

I can't opine on general "unofficial" practice, as my experience is pretty limited to California.  There is a strong ecumenical sentiment where I am, which may lead some clergy to commune Catholics, although I can't say for sure.  I really could not say how widespread or common the practice is.
This whole thing gets trotted out every now and then.  Claims that Armenians commune Catholics.  Purported agreements between Etchmiadzin and the Vatican sanctioning it.  "I've seen it."  "My priest told me..." "It's common knowledge..."

There is zero truth to any of it.  The internet has a way of making bad information suddenly "common knowledge."  So, put more clearly:

The Armenian Church has no official agreement, policy, or statement recognizing intercommunion with the Catholic Church.  The Armenian Church does not officially commune Catholics.  Period.
 

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I wonder whether it is too far-fetched to think that the improper practices might be simply due to lack of education caused by the genocide?
 

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Two of the earlier threads are here and here.

Nothing much has changed since what was written in those, except that I understand that the Indian Churches (OO and OC) are now more open to the provision of pastoral care to one another's faithful than was the case back then, when they were both disinclined to follow the lead of their Syriac brethren in that regard.

Reality is that relations between the Catholic Church and the Syrian and Armenian Orthodox Churches are significantly closer than between the Catholics and any other of the OO Churches and, although I have never been able to find evidence of any formal agreement between either Holy Etchmiadzin or Cilicia and Rome, fraternal relations between those two ecclesia have a centuries long history.

Many years,

Neil
 

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Alpo said:
I wonder whether it is too far-fetched to think that the improper practices might be simply due to lack of education caused by the genocide?
What does the Genocide have to do with this?  And what verifiable "improper practices" are you talking about?
 
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