- May 22, 2011
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I'm quite sure that's not what she meant. Most people think in these sort of pseudo-Platonic terms without meaning to. I know I do.JamesRottnek said:FountainPen said:A spiritual head of a physical body? Oddprimuspilus said:I'll acknowledge as many as I can, doesn't bother me. It does not take away from the fact that Christ did not create a religion (or faith) called Christianity, but created a eucharistic community called the Church. A living, breathing, physical body with Him as our head.FountainPen said:Just a few million more than you'd want to acknowledge?primuspilus said:As I said before, Im not saying that there are not members of the body that we do not know about.FountainPen said:Most of us also grow up in family units pp but our eternal family (the one that matters) is the family of God. So we have an earthly family and a spiritual family, both are important but not equally so.primuspilus said:Sorry, but IMO the scriptures you gave give no argument whatsoever for the invisible church.FountainPen said:A physical church structure, is important for many reasons but pentecost didn't happen in a temple, it happened in a casual gathering of people for a reason. "Where two or three are gathered, there i am in the midst" Matthew 18:20. The bride that is The Church, is spiritual and is invisible for the reasons i gave in my OP.HandmaidenofGod said:If there was no physical Church, then why did they anoint Deacons in the Book of Acts? Why did the First Council in Jerusalem take place in the Book of Acts? Why were any of the Epistles written?
If the presence of a physical Church was not important, then why did the Apostles go to the Temple daily after Pentecost to worship God? (Acts 2:46) They could have stayed in the Upper Room and prayed, but they went to the Temple as well.
God outlined how Temple worship was to be conducted and how the Temple was to be decorated in the Old Testament. The Orthodox Church took what was given to us in the Old, and completed it with God's covenant from the New.
The Orthodox Church is Christ's Church.
It is apparent in the history, the architecture, the hymnography; it is all there.
You can proof text whatever you want and legitimize any point anyone wishes with snippets of text. However, the scripture must be read in its entireity. The entireity clearly points to a structured, authoratative Church. This can clearly be seen reading all of the Pauline epistles, 2 Peter, and Acts. The evidence of the authoratative church is pretty overwhelming actually.
I would like to note that yes, Pentecost happened not in a temple. Perhaps that is because of the temple's hand in the execution of Christ? Its not like there was an established place yet. Thats like saying there were no icons at Pentecost, therefore we should not have icons either......
I'd also point out as to why there are rules for excommunication that would be not only unecessary, but silly if there were only an invisible church.
What on earth possessed you to think that Christ isn't physical? Do you not know that He ascended to Heaven in His resurrected BODY?