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Coptic Pope Theodosius II (1294-1300) was Frankish

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Neat. I love weird little episodes in history like this, like the English ex-crusader who was captured from among the Mongol army, or the black samurai.
 

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Can't wait to read the blogger's part 2
 

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minasoliman said:
Can't wait to read the blogger's part 2
Yeah, the first part is kind of a tease. It gives a bit of his genealogy where the burning question is how the heck did he end up in the Coptic church.
 

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Iconodule said:
minasoliman said:
Can't wait to read the blogger's part 2
Yeah, the first part is kind of a tease. It gives a bit of his genealogy where the burning question is how the heck did he end up in the Coptic church.
Lot of European descendants in the Levant due to the Crusades. Maybe his family just moved to Egypt?
 

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Maybe...in the following century, the Coptic Church did commemorate two Latin priests who were among the martyred under the brutal Mamluk caliphates.  So there was probably still a bit of cross-culturing during those periods.
 

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minasoliman said:
Maybe...in the following century, the Coptic Church did commemorate two Latin priests who were among the martyred under the brutal Mamluk caliphates.  So there was probably still a bit of cross-culturing during those periods.
Nice, can you say more? I asked you some time ago about who might be the last Western saint commemorated by the OOC.
 

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Father Peter said:
I've long been interested in what might have been the response from the Church in Egypt to Francis of Assisi when he arrived in about 1219 and went to Damietta.
The Metropolitan told him to go to hell.
 

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qawe said:
Father Peter said:
I've long been interested in what might have been the response from the Church in Egypt to Francis of Assisi when he arrived in about 1219 and went to Damietta.
The Metropolitan told him to go to hell.
That seems about right.
 

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qawe said:
Father Peter said:
I've long been interested in what might have been the response from the Church in Egypt to Francis of Assisi when he arrived in about 1219 and went to Damietta.
The Metropolitan told him to go to hell.
That's the kind of thing one hides from hippie October 4 homilies lol
 

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RaphaCam said:
minasoliman said:
Maybe...in the following century, the Coptic Church did commemorate two Latin priests who were among the martyred under the brutal Mamluk caliphates.  So there was probably still a bit of cross-culturing during those periods.
Nice, can you say more? I asked you some time ago about who might be the last Western saint commemorated by the OOC.
Here you go!  It’s from volume 2 of The Coptic Papacy, by Mark Swanson:

https://ibb.co/bAPaSb
https://ibb.co/ctkFSb

There are a couple Latin priests in the list, not mentioned by name though
 

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Father Peter said:
What is the modern book I am thinking of that describes the positive relation between the Coptic Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church in this period amounting to a vague union?
Theodore Hall Patrick?
 

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xOrthodox4Christx said:
Iconodule said:
minasoliman said:
Can't wait to read the blogger's part 2
Yeah, the first part is kind of a tease. It gives a bit of his genealogy where the burning question is how the heck did he end up in the Coptic church.
Lot of European descendants in the Levant due to the Crusades. Maybe his family just moved to Egypt?
There are also stories of Copts paying the ransom for captured Franks and freeing them. It's possible some stayed and integrated into the community.
 

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Yes! I think Swanson mentioned it in the book!
 

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Father Peter said:
I think its a book called something like Coptic Church and the West 1100-1500 etc
Is this it Father:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0198727534/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1509728786&sr=8-4

(Adding to my list now)
 

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The ancient world had a lot more movement and diversity than we're generally led to believe. There were pockets of Europeans in Africa and Asia from ancient times, much as there were pockets of Armenians throughout Europe. There could be various causes, from trade to war to pure happenstance. The ancient empires were quite cosmopolitan.
 
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