Volnutt said:
LenInSebastopol said:
Galileo Was Wrong The Church was Right can end such misgivings or at least pose a real alternative argument.
Except the Church flipflopped and started agreeing with him after about a generation.
Sorry to make Ken Ham cry, but problems within current areas of science do not by themselves overturn centuries of consensus. You've got a long way to go if you want to sow that kind of discord.
LenInSebastopol said:
As with all cosmology they are simply models, as was Ptolemy's, however with his the math gets difficult quickly, but can still work, or so I am told and believe, as my skills have long since passed.
Plus it erases ALL the Western approaches to Man's Place in The Universe and God's Creation, where we truly belong!
But folks have been "taught' to "think" we all are minus-the-size of cosmic flotsam in a "sea of billions and billions of galaxies", and thus leading to Nothing of a Conclusion.
May be more coffee would help?
Depends on how you look at it. It could also be said that the vastness of the cosmos is a vindication of Psalm 8:3-4:
When I consider your heavens,
the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars,
which you have set in place,
what is mankind that you are mindful of them,
human beings that you care for them?
You have made them a little lower than the angels
and crowned them with glory and honor.
I would also add that when consciousness (the universe looking back in on itself, as Carl Sagan put it) is brought into the mix, sapient beings like us and whatever aliens may or not exist are still the most important parts of the universe. Without an observer to contemplate it, the grandeur of creation is meaningless.
The Church did concede to some of Galileo's observations and as such built observatories, however alternative models may still be used, just not with Ockhams' Razor.
The Ether notion was still existent, as I recall, when Alan Shepard (first US astronaut) went into space, one of first comments was regarding same. I recall smiling, even though he denied seeing it; silly man, one cannot 'see' the Ether as with God's Grace or the wind.
As to overturning centuries of consensus, I was not aware of The Truth being democratic, especially in light of science being mostly statistical.