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Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.

TheTrisagion

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This looks like it could be fun!  :p
Justin Kissel said:
1) Atheism is a religion
I agree that it is not a religion. It can be a worldview though. There is a world of difference between the person who doesn't contemplate the possiblity of God and a person who has the FSM symbol on the back of his car. One is an actual atheist, the other is an anti-theist which does tend to express itself in religiouslike mannerisms.

2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality
I don't know of any atheist moral system and I've never known an atheist to proclaim that there is such a thing. I don't know about stealing Christian morality though, that doesn't seem to hold up.

3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices
This is a silly statement. You can't presume to know somebody's reasoning for taking a position.

4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God
No.

5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion
It is my experience that they attack Christianity because it is the religion that most of them are most familiar with.

6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves
I do think it can lead to nihilism, but nihilism does not mean someone should kill themselves. You can be nihilistic, but still generally satisfied with your life even if you believe it all to be ultimately fruitless in the end.

7) Only people on the internet listen to atheists, never in real life
I do think the internet has greatly popularized atheism and skepticism in general. That is how humans generally respond to an overflow of contradicting information.

8 ) Atheists are usually adult men living in the basement of their parents
I would say most are men, I can't speak to their living conditions.

9) Atheists love evolution because it gives them an excuse to act like an animal
I don't understand this at all, but I have heard it before.  ???

10) Atheists are blind and refuse to see the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God
There is evidence, but skepticism is also a very strong impulse.

11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion
This is usually argued when the opposite, also ludicrous argument is made that religion is the cause of almost all wars. Both arguments are equally stupid.

12) Atheism arose due to a warped western Christian theology
I do think atheism was able to thrive as a result of developments in Christian theology in the west, but I wouldn't say it is the cause of it.
 

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For those unaware of the original context, this thread was meant to be a playful imitation of another thread of the same type, except that the idea for the other thread was going in the opposite direction: Craziest things atheists/non-believers have said about the Christian faith. Many (including me) talked on the other thread about how people (atheists in that case) make sweeping generalizations and unfairly paint all Christians with the same negative brush. So the point of the OP on this thread was to list examples of similarly exaggerated and oversimplified statements about, and arguments against, atheists. There may indeed be merit to many of them, but that's not the point. 8)
 

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I think we need another thread called: Craziest things oc.net members have said about Justin Kissel.

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TheTrisagion said:
I think we need another thread called: Craziest things oc.net members have said about Justin Kissel.

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Tru dat! I like Justin's contributions to OC.net quite a bit.
 

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1) Atheism is a religion

There are different kinds of atheism, some compatible some incompatible with each other.  A coherent definition means "no God"...I guess there may technically be some wiggle room for spirituality  religion in there.

I've heard it stated that in America there is no such thing as an atheist.  I think that's not true, what is meant is that they don't believe on a concept of "God" in a way most people who traditionally do, do.  Americans are happy to be Buddhists, vegans, pacifists, nationalists, racists, or whatever...  but not Catholics or "fundamentalist".  Very moral, and very spiritual.

It may be stated that atheism is a direct response to pagan, Aristotelian/Platonic, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and Zoroastrian conceptions of God.  Or it is at least a critique of certain aspects that keep cropping up within them. 

"Fundamentalism" and cultural disgust may play a part in the atheists knowledge of "religion", but probably not a very large one.  If anything they play the part of one party making fun of, or using as a straw man/ boogey man the inevitable fringe elements of another party.  Clearing up "fundamentalist" myths is a waste of time usually.  Heck, the word itself is probably dangerously vacuous.

2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality

Some of this could be true, and much of it is admitted by atheists.  Once again it depends on the atheist.  Marx and Hume are incompatible, but both would admit that xtianity was part of the moral makeup and appropriate that in their thought in different (incompatible) ways. In his own way, Nietzsche admitted it too.

An atheist could think that God actually contradicts or leads to catastrophic consequences of any coherent moral sentiment that can be rationalized, experienced, or talked about.  In this way an atheist can be disgusted (as they usually are) with various ethics of various religions.

Frankly I don't think focusing on morals is a great thing.  Atheists, Americans, hard core secular political ideologues or whomever love morality and the smugness it gives weight their cause just as much as anyone.



3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices

Lots of people will stick to any "ideal" to confirm their whims.  This says nothing for or against anything.  This is a psychologism

4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God

I think that means they are not atheists by definition.  An atheist does need to have some concept of God though.  Once again though, they can be disgusted by the consequence of belief.

5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion


Most people hate Islam.  Secular Jews can be pretty hard on religious Jews.  Classical paganism is dead, so there is nothing to attack.  I'm not too sure if there is any debate in Japan or India on paganism vs atheism, that's not my thing.  If not it does less one to suspect that atheism is more of a "western" phenomenon...which is interesting (this also does not contradict many atheists, such as Nietzsche).

6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves

This is an is /ought fallacy...the concepts if of atheism and nihilism though, as I've been stating, are too broad anyway.  So this makes the "atheists ought kill themselves conclusion even more shaky.  I get a lot of self professed atheists (maybe Camus and Sartre) say that killing yourself is cool...but they were "existentialist", and hence a bit of a joke.


8 ) Atheists are usually adult men living in the basement of their parents


No.  Interesting someone would signal out this group though.  It's like saying atheists are "not fit enough" to be on planet earth, they are "beta males", the most "reactionary" class of all. 

Sounds like a strange, smug, and triumphalistic , social Darwinist claim.

9) Atheists love evolution because it gives them an excuse to act like an animal

No

10) Atheists are blind and refuse to see the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God

I have no clue what this is about.  If you're using the word evidence (an empirical term, as opposed to the inferior term "proof"), the word already implies subjective interpretation and a bit of humility between two people.  It's hard to tell me what the opposition really does see.

11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion

This is probably useless categorical thinking.  It's probably reactionary to.  Using opposing narratives and categories to defend one's own position.  That seems odd.

Besides how much of this is about abstract terms (religion vs atheism), and utilitarian numbers?  That seems a bit macabre. 

What atheist or what Christian killed which person?  Why? That's more important.  I'm half tempted to call that line if reason vulgar philistinism.

"One man dead is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" , Orthodox seminarian Joseph Stalin...a philistine if there ever was one.

12) Atheism arose due to a warped western Christian theology

I said earlier this may be a more western phenomenon.  It's worth looking into.  I'm.not too sure of that's right, but there is merit to this line of thought.
 

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TheTrisagion said:
I think we need another thread called: Craziest things oc.net members have said about Justin Kissel.

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Craziest or most accurate ever?
 

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Has alot to do with personal views and generally isn't the big picture.
 
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