Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy

Do you believe that the acount of genesis in the Old testament should be taken literally?

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  • both metaphorically and literally

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stashko

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I believe Giants/hybrids walked the earth as holy scriptures says and testifies too. the name's that Godless scientists gives to them it's fine with me....but a animal becoming human that ill never believe.....Christ Has Risen....rejoice....<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
 

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stashko said:
I believe Giants/hybrids walked the earth as holy scriptures says and testifies too. the name's that Godless scientists gives to them it's fine with me....but a animal becoming human that ill never believe.....Christ Has Risen....rejoice....<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
Hybrid what exactly?
 

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Riddikulus said:
Hybrid what exactly?

reply#01 read.....stanislav...<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">



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ytterbiumanalyst said:
Nor will the "godless scientists."
How do these Godless scientists fit evolution in with biblical creation....they have to believe in one and hate the other..And im not talking about christian scientists....

Why is it so hard to accept what scriptures say's...don't you i we kiss the written word before the holy liturgy Begins ,,, as a confession that it's truly the inspired word of God....God's Breath......as i said in post reply# 1 my opinion...i think im entitled to it... ..<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">



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stashko said:
How do these Godless scientists fit evolution in with biblical creation....they have to believe in one and not the other.
Belief in the Theory of Evolution does not necessitate rejection of the Bible any more than belief in the Theory of Gravity or Atomic Theory does. Nor does rejection of the Theory of Evolution free us from being subject to it any more than rejection of the Theory of Gravity or Atomic Theory. Populations evolve; physical objects are attracted to each other according to their respective masses; atoms make molecules, whose movement is responsible for the three (four?) states of matter. This we know to be true.

Science is merely our attempt at understanding God's creation. It is our best guess to date. We do not need science to understand God, but it helps. Putting science at odds with religion is a false dichotomy which is only going to make Christianity seem an anti-intellectual farce and will drive people to atheism or agnosticism. Christianity is the most reasonable faith there is: in fact, it is so reasonable that it transcends reason and shows us how to live as Christ lived, as Adam lived before the Fall, in perfect harmony with himself and all creation. That creation includes the human mind (psychology), the human species (anthropology), human society (sociology), animals (zoology), plants (botany), stars and planets (astronomy)--all of which move about (physics) and are illuminated in various ways (optics). But the one thing science cannot tell us is our spiritual condition. Thus science, which tells us about the physical world and our physical bodies, is joined with religion, which tells us about the spiritual world and our own soul and spirit, to give us a more complete understanding of who we are and who we can become in Christ.

I hope that helps to sort this out.
 

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From what i've heard, all Orthodoxy says about God's creation of everything is that God did it, and he created everything out of nothing, and that is all that is basically required to be believed. From there, it doesn't matter if the person believes if he did it through evolution, or if the person believes he did it in the creationism sense.

Personally, I do not care how God did it, and it isn't any of my business to really know how he did it either.
 

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stashko said:
How do these Godless scientists fit evolution in with biblical creation....they have to believe in one and hate the other..And im not talking about christian scientists....
And yet many scientists who are Christian (to distinguish them from the Christian Scientists, followers of the American heretic Mary Baker Eddy) do try to reconcile the clear empirical evidence for evolution with the biblical account of creation.

Why is it so hard to accept what scriptures say's...
Why is it so hard to accept what scientists are able to observe?

don't you i we kiss the written word before the holy liturgy Begins ,,, as a confession that it's tuly the inspired word of God....God's Breath......
Yet, what does it mean to believe that Scripture is the inspired Word of God?  Does it mean, as many Protestant Fundamentalists believe, that the Bible can be used as a science text and that its "scientific" statements are more reliable than modern scientific theories?

as i said in post reply# 1 my opinion...i think im entitled to it...
Yes, you certainly are entitled to be wrong if you want to be.
 

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stashko said:
There no such thing as neanderthals or cromagnom bible does't mention anything like that......from adam on no mention....my own personal opinion  the bone's that there finding are from the giants ...and what scriptures say..when the son's of God angels .,,looked upon the woman of the earth and mated with them a hybrid race naphilium[hope i spelled that correctly] appeared [giants] that God drowned ....the giant around the time of king david was the last of the hybrids....so they find a pieces of there bone's and create neandethals, cromagnom,who knows what else in the future......my 2 cent's worth...i believe God Has a special place For our Beloved pet's in his vast kingdom that has no end ....this i really believe......For God is God of the Living ..he creates life animal and human...and other plants trees and so forth....Christ Has Risen.....Rejoice......<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
If neanderthals and cro-magnon didn't exist, how does one explain their fossils? 

The passage you refer to is obscure at the very least. To quote the notes from the New Jerusalem Bible;
Later Judaism and almost all the earliest ecclesiastical writers identify the "sons of God" with fallen angels, but from the 4th century onwards, as the idea of angelic natures becomes less material, the Fathers commonly take the "sons of God" to be Seth's descendants and the "daughters of men" those of Cain.
 

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PeterTheAleut said:
And yet many scientists who are Christian (to distinguish them from the Christian Scientists, followers of the American heretic Mary Baker Eddy) do try to reconcile the clear empirical evidence for evolution with the biblical account of creation.
Why is it so hard to accept what scientists are able to observe?
Yet, what does it mean to believe that Scripture is the inspired Word of God?  Does it mean, as many Protestant Fundamentalists believe, that the Bible can be used as a science text and that its "scientific" statements are more reliable than modern scientific theories?
Yes, you certainly are entitled to be wrong if you want to be.
Brother..
Im.not against what science can achieve or discovey in God's creation..all wisdom comes from God....he reveals  to us his wisdom in his time....

Brother,, a example from Holy Scripture..tower of Babel when the people had one language the decided to build a tower to find God's dwelling place...God seeing there foolishness confounded there language knowing they weren't ready to explore outer space without suffocating ...If God chose to ignore them and allowed them to continue they would of found God but not in there body but in spirit thru suffication ...in time man succeeded to reach outers space and the moon ...Because God saw that man was ready for more wisdom.....some  scientist when they receive God's wisdom they go out of the way to deny God and all that they achieved was all there own doing ...like some evolutionist that say we come from apes or some thing or another......im all for science ..and all for it's discoveries as long as it doesn't deny God or his written word....Christ Has Risen ..Rejoice.....<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
 

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Riddikulus said:
If neanderthals and cro-magnon didn't exist, how does one explain their fossils? 

The passage you refer to is obscure at the very least. To quote the notes from the New Jerusalem Bible;
Later Judaism and almost all the earliest ecclesiastical writers identify the "sons of God" with fallen angels, but from the 4th century onwards, as the idea of angelic natures becomes less material, the Fathers commonly take the "sons of God" to be Seth's descendants and the "daughters of men" those of Cain.

Hybrid/giants  bones poabably mixed with apes by puting them together you can  come up with anything to look like anything.....on the sons of God that were fallen angels when they mated with human woman didn't they lose there heavenly glory and apperance also there offspring could of resembled the cro-magnom and neanderthal....the one that lived at the time of king david that david slew cursed God so much ,,that the giant knew that the God of Israel was true...again my opinon  only ....why did the woman have to cover there hair after that.......Christ Has Risen..<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
 

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stashko said:
on the sons of God that were fallen angels when they mated with human woman didn't they lose there heavenly glory and apperance also there offspring could of resembled the cro-magnom and neanderthal....the one that lived at the time of king david that david slew cursed God so much ,,that the giant knew that the God of Israel was true...agian my opinon  only ....why did the woman have to cover the hair after that.......Christ Has Risen..<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
??? So which is it? Neanderthal and cro-magnon is a mistaken mix of bones placed together to create something that didn't exist - or they are the human-demon offspring?
 

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As to the interesting question; "Did Neanderthals have souls?"

If they could speak, think to organise themselves as hunters, create art which indicates some kind of religious meaning, and bury their dead, isn't it more than possible that they had souls?
 

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Riddikulus said:
Do you have any evidence to support such a theory? ..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Brother   
Only my opinion ....
Brother didn't Christ say the father of cain was satan.....humm humm...Christ has Risen ...Radujse....<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
 

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stashko said:
Only my opinion ....
Brother didn't Christ say the father of cain was satan.....humm humm...Christ has Risen ...Radujse....<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
???
 

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stashko said:
Brother,, a example from Holy Scripture..tower of Babel when the people had one language the decided to build a tower to find God's dwelling place...God seeing there foolishness confounded there language knowing they weren't ready to explore outer space without suffocating
That's certainly an interpretation of the Tower of Babel narrative I've never seen before.  Where did you come up with this?

stashko said:
Hybrid/giants  bones poabably mixed with apes by puting them together you can  come up with anything to look like anything.....on the sons of God that were fallen angels when they mated with human woman didn't they lose there heavenly glory and apperance also there offspring could of resembled the cro-magnom and neanderthal....
Without any biblical or scientific evidence to support this hypothesis, this explanation sounds even more ludicrous than any of those scientific theories of evolution that you consider unbiblical.  Is it any wonder, then, why Creationists come across to the world as so laughably ignorant?  At least with science, there's an attempt to construct theories that are reasonable and supported by what we observe.  I'm sorry, but you don't know how ridiculous your rejection of the theories of the "godless" scientists in favor of these wild alternatives you propose makes you look.

the one that lived at the time of king david that david slew cursed God so much ,,that the giant knew that the God of Israel was true...again my opinon  only ....
At least you recognize that this is only your opinion.

why did the woman have to cover there hair after that.......
What does this have to do with why cows eat grass?
 

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Riddikulus said:
As to the interesting question; "Did Neanderthals have souls?"

If they could speak, think to organise themselves as hunters, create art which indicates some kind of religious meaning, and bury their dead, isn't it more than possible that they had souls?
I can't answer that because,, i don't believe in them only the fallen one's..scriptures mention's them and there offsping ...chimps use tools...so do gorilla's doesn't make them human....there's people now that live so primitively in this day and age,,and  do wall painting the aboriginies in australia...and in other parts of the world ,,,doesn't make them cro-magnom or neanderthals.....if God Created another Race beside humans  he would of mentioned it ....... a silly idea of mine do you think they could be aliens from another Galaxy far far away cro-magom and the other and crash landed here and died out here....or  were killed by the humans...ha ha ha......Christ Has Risen ...Rejoice....<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
 

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stashko said:
if God Created another Race beside humans  he would of mentioned it
Do you know the mind of God well enough to know what He would have or would not have told us?  What if He just doesn't think it important for us to know right now?
 

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stashko said:
I can't answer that because,, i don't believe in them only the fallen one's..scriptures mention's them and there offsping ...chimps use tools...so do gorilla's doesn't make them human....there's people now that live so primitively in this day and age,,and  do wall painting the aboriginies in australia...and in other parts of the world ,,,doesn't make them cro-magnom or neanderthals.....if God Created another Race beside humans  he would of mentioned it ....... a silly idea of mine do you think they could be aliens from another Galaxy far far away cro-magom and the other and crash landed here and died out here....or  were killed by the humans...ha ha ha......Christ Has Risen ...Rejoice....<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_3_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
Yes, that is a rather silly idea. But, I suppose anything is better than accepting science might have genuine answers. :p
 
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