- Mar 8, 2006
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- Portland, Oregon
That's a terrible analogy, and here's why. Evil is a philosophical construct to which science is totally unqualified to speak. We can observe the fossil record and attempt to interpret it based on our understanding of natural laws, though.Gebre Menfes Kidus said:You have indeed hit upon the crux of the matter. And I have addressed some of the reasons why evolutionary theory is not a fact, and why it is a highly dubious theory. But essentially, I disagree with your assertion that unless we can prove evolutionary false from scientific observation, then we have no case for arguing that evolutionary theory is incompatible with Orthodoxy. Let me provide an analogy: What if I said that Orthodoxy is compatible with the belief that evil does not exist? I imagine that you would reject such an assertion (I would hope so anyway.) But I could argue that unless the existence of evil can be scientifically proven, then as Orthodox Christians we look like fools to believe in something that has not been verified by scientific evidence.PeterTheAleut said:IOW, Gebre, the question of the scientific validity of evolutionary theory is of central importance to your discussion of the OP. If evolutionary theory is a true and valid explanation of how we came to be (the natural mechanics of how God carried out his work of creating man), then what does it matter whether this theory is compatible with Orthodox faith? We need to adjust our beliefs to accommodate our scientific observations, or else make the Gospel of Jesus Christ look truly like the Gospel of idiots. But if you can prove evolutionary theory false using evidence from scientific observation, you might have a case for arguing that evolutionary theory is incompatible with Orthodox Christianity. You can't separate evolutionary theory from its foundation in scientific observation and posit it as something opposed to Orthodox faith, at least not without the consequence of looking needlessly like a fool.
Even for those of us who embrace the Orthodox Christian world view, why must we embrace as true only those scientific explanations that assent to what many believe to be traditional Christian dogma? This isn't even science, since science enforces the rule that all scientific theories must be falsifiable by new observations. One cannot use scientific evidence to falsify any claim that a supernatural being created the earth and all life therein and that He did so within a specific time frame laid out in religious dogma. Essentially, then, what you posit as the kind of science you would embrace cannot be properly called science at all. So just be honest and tell us that you reject all science and stop trying to construct this phony concept of a "Christian science". Just admit that your faith system makes no allowance for contradiction by scientific theory and be done with it. I, however, am not convinced by your arguments that this is truly THE Patristic, Orthodox world view.Gebre Menfes Kidus said:You see, what the evolutionsists try to do is assert a radical dichotomy between facts and values. But I do not acept their premises or their presuppositions, and I will not allow them to dictate the terms of the debate. For if we affirm their worldveiw as the only valid frame of reference, then we essentially declare our Faith to be litle more than blind superstition. The Orthodox Christian worldview is predicated on the belief in God Who created the universe; thus to abandon this worldview in our scientific questioning does violence both to science and to our Faith.