- Apr 7, 2009
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and i explained why i don't see the similarity. there's a clear difference between a concensus arising strictly from Scriptural interpretation that has doctrinal import and is spoken of dogmatically and has found its way into every area of Church life, and a concensus that arises from the surrounding culture that is used to illustrate other dogmatic points, has no doctrinal value, and has no import in other areas of church life such as icons, canons, and hymns.PeterTheAleut said:Nice dodge. The reason Riddikulus posted the link to the geocentrism page was to show how you and the defender of geocentrism are both using quotes from the Fathers and citing a "universal patristic consensus" to prove a particular point of view that runs totally counter to what we now understand from scientific observation.jckstraw72 said:as for the geocentrist page ... theres a clear difference between these quotes and the quotes i have provided, and Fr. Seraphim provides in his book. in the majority of these quotes they are simply pointing to the movements of our solar system as an illustration of another point. a recurring one was glorifying God's majesty in giving us an ordered creation -- thats the main point. they will say something like, "see, the sun moves in its course just the same, every day." thats an illustration of the point, but it would work just as well if they said the earth moves in its course the same every day. or they say how God caused the sun to stand still for Joshua, thus glorifying God for His miracle -- pointing out the power of God is the point -- the point would remain the same if they simply said that God made the day longer (however he woulda done that).