- Feb 15, 2007
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Right. God put photons at each point in space between Adam and the star in question, making it appear, from Adam's point of view, that the photons did physically originate from the star. God could have created stars at various stages of evolution, some fully formed, some still forming, and a web of photons are created in association with each of the stars. God could have even created stars that have appeared as if they have already gone white dwarf or supernova -- and God would have created the web of photons apparently manifesting from such entities, as well.ytterbiumanalyst said:Here you contradict yourself. First you say God only put photons between the Earth and a star, and now you say the photons are 360 degrees stretching outward from the star (which is scientifically correct). You can't have it both ways.Jetavan said:At the moment God created Adam, God created photons just about to hit Adam's eyes, and these photons appeared to have come from the star 14 billion light years away. From the photons that were just about to hit Adam's eyes, to the star, God also created numerous photons that all appeared to have come from the star. So when God created each star, he created that star's own God-created web of photons simultaneously, a web that stretched from the star outwards into the universe, such that the photons looked as if they came from that star. So any satellite that Adam, or we, decide to send into space, will encounter photons that are actually part of that God-created web of photons, rather than photons that derive from the star itself. The photons that derive from the star itself, we won't see for 14 billion years.ytterbiumanalyst said:Then how can our satellites which are not on Earth, such as Voyager, see those stars?Jetavan said:God created light photons not only between earth and the star, but between any point in space and the star.ytterbiumanalyst said:Okay, if God created beams of light between earth and the stars, how then can we see those same stars from our satellites that we've sent hurtling through space?Jetavan said:God created light photons that appeared to have left stars a billion years ago. These photons were created 7000 years ago, 7000 light years from earth, directly between earth and the stars.Asteriktos said:I'd still like to get some type of information or answer from a young earth creationist on this point:
"Okay, what catastrophe within the last 7000 years caused us to be able to see stars that are billions of light years away?"
And what about the new stars which are born all the time? Does God place a web of photons around each of them as they are formed? What of the stars which die? Does God suddenly snuff out the web of photons? Apply Occam's Razor here and tell me which is more believable: that God in the beginning made the stars to appear old when they are not, and constantly adjusts the universe so that we think it's older than it actually is; or that the universe actually is as old as it appears.
The fact that we see evidence indicating a universe 14 billion years old, is a result of our Fallen mental faculties (reason, logic, etc.), faculties that may be useful for most of what we do on earth, but are not infallible. One could certainly sympathize with those who believe the universe to be 14 billion years old; they are simply following what their reading of the evidence indicates. Modern Western science is a science based on Fallen logic. Such science is part of the language of the public arena, which is the arena all of us -- believers and non-believers -- share. Thus, the True Knowledge of the universe should not be taught in the public arena, say, public schools, because the public arena is the arena of Fallen logic, not True Knowledge.
True Knowledge is best taught in churches, in religious schools, where such knowledge is properly respected, held sacred, and silently contemplated. Fallen logic has certainly proven very useful and powerful, since this is a Fallen world -- thus, Fallen logic has a central place in the public curriculum. Occam's razor is a great example of Fallen logic that works quite well in this Fallen world. Neo-Darwinian theory is a tremendous scientific achievement, and it could be said that such a theory is the best scientific theory for how biological diversity is achieved. However, such theory is still relevant only to this Fallen cosmos, as understood by our Fallen logics. Evolution is indeed true -- but it's true within a context that is, of course, summarily rejected by the likes of Richard Dawkins. One need not debate a Dawkins, because he knows how to adeptly operate within the context of Fallen logic. If, one day, he intuits the unsatisfactory nature of such logic, we will be eager to share with him the light of True Knowledge.