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Daddy

How common is it for Protestants to refer to God as "Daddy" in public preaching and worship?

  • Verboten

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • Not Common

    Votes: 11 36.7%
  • Happens Sometimes

    Votes: 5 16.7%
  • Common

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • Happens Often

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ubiquitous

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I Don't Know

    Votes: 6 20.0%
  • Who's Your Daddy?

    Votes: 6 20.0%

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A few months ago I met the Assemblies of God pastor of my cousin and her family, and he prayed extemporaneously and thanked God for being "our Daddy".  This weekend I attended their son's graduation at their church's K-12 school and again, the pastor referred to God as "our Daddy".  Is this really a thing?
 

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I grew up Southern Baptist, and I don't recall hearing this exactly. I heard the oft-repeated (and erroneous) assertion that "abba" means "daddy," but that's as close as I recall.
 

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Don't recall hearing it when I was a Protestant, nor since
 

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MalpanaGiwargis said:
I grew up Southern Baptist, and I don't recall hearing this exactly. I heard the oft-repeated (and erroneous) assertion that "abba" means "daddy," but that's as close as I recall.
He would say that too (e.g., “We thank you Abba, we thank you Daddy, we thank you Jesus...”).
 

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Never heard it in a Church of God (equivalent to Assemblies back in the day) or in Southern Baptist congregations.  I have heard (not too frequently) in Spanish-speaking pentecostal congregations "Papa Dios", so that's pretty close.
 

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I heard it enough that it doesn't surprise me when I hear it--I'm not sure if that counts as "common" or "happens sometimes."  But most everyone here is some flavor of Evangelical--whether it's the contemporary wing of the SBC or a non-denominational church.  I didn't hear it growing up in the Methodist church.  When it's been used, it seems to be juxtaposed with "Father."  As in, God is our Father, but He's also our Daddy.  And I've heard, "Dear Lord, thank you for being such a good Daddy" more than once.  Father is pretty formal in my experience, and I guess people want to make the point that God is warm and familiar.  It also might be a new trend.  Hard to say with some parts of Protestantism.
 

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I have heard "Jesus is the best boyfriend," (said in the context of desperate and single teen girls) which is objectively worse than calling Jesus "Daddy".
 

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hecma925 said:
I have heard "Jesus is the best boyfriend," (said in the context of desperate and single teen girls) which is objectively worse than calling Jesus "Daddy".
Oh dear.  That's one I've never heard.  Though I wasn't a desperate teen and didn't have teen-aged offspring during my Evangelical years.  Both expressions have good notions behind them, at least; they're just out of context and distorted.
 

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Ainnir said:
hecma925 said:
I have heard "Jesus is the best boyfriend," (said in the context of desperate and single teen girls) which is objectively worse than calling Jesus "Daddy".
Oh dear. 
Indeed...  This demented sort of hyper-sentimentality makes Count von Zinzendorf look like bastion of liturgical sobriety.
 

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hecma925 said:
I have heard "Jesus is the best boyfriend," (said in the context of desperate and single teen girls) which is objectively worse than calling Jesus "Daddy".
Not according to context (an error of distraught, misled, yet still entirely corrigible youth, versus the considered oratory of an ordained minister in his chosen vocation). 
 

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Rendering 'Father I have sinned' as 'Daddy I've been naughty' is the jackpot.
 

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Alpha60 said:
hecma925 said:
I have heard "Jesus is the best boyfriend," (said in the context of desperate and single teen girls) which is objectively worse than calling Jesus "Daddy".
Not according to context (an error of distraught, misled, yet still entirely corrigible youth, versus the considered oratory of an ordained minister in his chosen vocation).
I can't think of a proper context for that.

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Rendering 'Father I have sinned' as 'Daddy I've been naughty' is the jackpot.
That is the worst casino prize.
 

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I had to say, "I don't know."  When I was a protestant, sometimes a pastor in a sermon would translate "Abba" that way, but nobody said "Daddy" in English.  Everyone said, "Father."
 

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hecma925 said:
Never heard it in a Church of God (equivalent to Assemblies back in the day) or in Southern Baptist congregations.  I have heard (not too frequently) in Spanish-speaking pentecostal congregations "Papa Dios", so that's pretty close.

Potato God...?!

what sort of church is that now......
 

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DeniseDenise said:
hecma925 said:
Never heard it in a Church of God (equivalent to Assemblies back in the day) or in Southern Baptist congregations.  I have heard (not too frequently) in Spanish-speaking pentecostal congregations "Papa Dios", so that's pretty close.

Potato God...?!

what sort of church is that now......
The Ephraimite Puerto Rican Apostolic Yoruba Covenant Church of Jesus Christ for God's Chosen Holy People Genuine True Orthodox Church Inside and Outside America.  We sacrificed a lot of Irish back in the day.
 

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hecma925 said:
DeniseDenise said:
hecma925 said:
Never heard it in a Church of God (equivalent to Assemblies back in the day) or in Southern Baptist congregations.  I have heard (not too frequently) in Spanish-speaking pentecostal congregations "Papa Dios", so that's pretty close.

Potato God...?!

what sort of church is that now......
The Ephraimite Puerto Rican Apostolic Yoruba Covenant Church of Jesus Christ for God's Chosen Holy People Genuine True Orthodox Church Inside and Outside America.  We sacrificed a lot of Irish back in the day.

 

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Mor Ephrem said:
A few months ago I met the Assemblies of God pastor of my cousin and her family, and he prayed extemporaneously and thanked God for being "our Daddy".  This weekend I attended their son's graduation at their church's K-12 school and again, the pastor referred to God as "our Daddy".  Is this really a thing?
Yes. Totally a new post-modern phenomenon amongst the millennial and protestants. Things such as starting prayer with "papa God" and "Daddy." I think it was their attempt to normalize God being our Father but removing the "ecclesiastical" "ancient" undertones. You know, those early century fathers never knew better as staunch and stale as they are to post-moderns.
 

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noahzarc1 said:
Mor Ephrem said:
A few months ago I met the Assemblies of God pastor of my cousin and her family, and he prayed extemporaneously and thanked God for being "our Daddy".  This weekend I attended their son's graduation at their church's K-12 school and again, the pastor referred to God as "our Daddy".  Is this really a thing?
Yes. Totally a new post-modern phenomenon amongst the millennial and protestants. Things such as starting prayer with "papa God" and "Daddy."
I dunno about new, except when understood in the greater context of all time. I heard it a few times in the SBC of my youth. But only in the context of youth services, and only a few times, and a couple of those from a girl who was adopted and had literal daddy issues. For her I think it was a comfort measure. For others I just think it was pathology.

 

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Agabus said:
noahzarc1 said:
Mor Ephrem said:
A few months ago I met the Assemblies of God pastor of my cousin and her family, and he prayed extemporaneously and thanked God for being "our Daddy".  This weekend I attended their son's graduation at their church's K-12 school and again, the pastor referred to God as "our Daddy".  Is this really a thing?
Yes. Totally a new post-modern phenomenon amongst the millennial and protestants. Things such as starting prayer with "papa God" and "Daddy."
I dunno about new, except when understood in the greater context of all time. I heard it a few times in the SBC of my youth. But only in the context of youth services, and only a few times, and a couple of those from a girl who was adopted and had literal daddy issues. For her I think it was a comfort measure. For others I just think it was pathology.
This seems a good analysis for a depressing ... insecurity, of people, before God.  Although we do address God intimately with “Thou” rather than the third person “You”, but that’s not the same thing at all.

Now hypothetically one could perhaps translate Pope, via Papem, to mean “Papa” or “Daddy”; the term was originally one of endearment for the Archbishop on the Apostolic Throne of St. Mark the Evangelist in Alexandria.  Although I should stress that I very strongly should prefer it if people do not do that.
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
Arachne said:
Rendering 'Father I have sinned' as 'Daddy I've been naughty' is the jackpot.
Who doesn’t love hearing that?
Men who don't infantilize their significant others.

But, hey, if that's your bag.  Consenting adults and all that.
 

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Wasn't there that book The Shack that was all the rage a few years ago in evangelical circles in which God the Father is a black woman and insisted that the main character call her "Papa"?

What a ****** book.
 

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hecma925 said:
Wasn't there that book The Shack that was all the rage a few years ago in evangelical circles in which God the Father is a black woman and insisted that the main character call her "Papa"?

What a ****** book.
I saw the movie and not read the book, and what they were trying to do - from the movie - is try to show God as genderless, where he changes His personage based on circumstance; He's motherly when His children need a Mother, and He's fatherly when His children need a Father.

They also portrayed Jesus as far more in line with what a typical Mizrahi Jew would look like, with curlier hair, darker skin, and black hair, and they portrayed the Holy Spirit as a woman figure. They also portrayed Wisdom as another female personage.

Now, I don't agree with such a depiction (simply put, that God the Father is genderless, but is not both genders; and God the Father and the Holy Spirit aren't human insofar as they are disconnected from the Person of Jesus Christ), but it appears to me to be more innocuous than just a "gender deconstruction" attempt at portraying God, considering that this comes from Protestants.

And mainstream, Protestant ignorances are inevitable. I grew up with the "Littlest Angel" book and "It's a Wonderful Life," but both of these media don't distinguish Saints from Angels, which for years led to confusion about what an Angel was and what a Saint was.
 

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As Arnold said, "Who is your abba, and what does he do?"
 

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I've often heard preachers say "Abba" = "Daddy" or "Dad", but as I am not an Aramaic scholar I neither believe nor disbelieve it. I have never heard God actually addressed as "Daddy" or "Dad"; often as "Father" and in Albanian as "Atë."

And the only people I call "papa" are Orthodox priests if I see one in the street and want to attract his attention: "O Papa!" I call (though I have sometimes addressed emails to our Baptist pastor in those words, in humour).
 

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Eamonomae said:
hecma925 said:
Wasn't there that book The Shack that was all the rage a few years ago in evangelical circles in which God the Father is a black woman and insisted that the main character call her "Papa"?

What a ****** book.
I saw the movie and not read the book, and what they were trying to do - from the movie - is try to show God as genderless, where he changes His personage based on circumstance; He's motherly when His children need a Mother, and He's fatherly when His children need a Father.

They also portrayed Jesus as far more in line with what a typical Mizrahi Jew would look like, with curlier hair, darker skin, and black hair, and they portrayed the Holy Spirit as a woman figure. They also portrayed Wisdom as another female personage.

Now, I don't agree with such a depiction (simply put, that God the Father is genderless, but is not both genders; and God the Father and the Holy Spirit aren't human insofar as they are disconnected from the Person of Jesus Christ), but it appears to me to be more innocuous than just a "gender deconstruction" attempt at portraying God, considering that this comes from Protestants.

And mainstream, Protestant ignorances are inevitable. I grew up with the "Littlest Angel" book and "It's a Wonderful Life," but both of these media don't distinguish Saints from Angels, which for years led to confusion about what an Angel was and what a Saint was.
Sounds like the movie is as horrible as the book.
 

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David Young said:
I've often heard preachers say "Abba" = "Daddy" or "Dad", but as I am not an Aramaic scholar I neither believe nor disbelieve it. I have never heard God actually addressed as "Daddy" or "Dad"; often as "Father" and in Albanian as "Atë."

And the only people I call "papa" are Orthodox priests if I see one in the street and want to attract his attention: "O Papa!" I call (though I have sometimes addressed emails to our Baptist pastor in those words, in humour).
Steve Caruso, a noted Aramaic scholar who I am acquainted with, states emphatically that it is inaccurate and that this is one of a number of stupid myths surrounding Aramaic, almost as bad as the claims of Pentecostal or Charismatic glossolalialists to speak it.
 

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Alpha60 said:
David Young said:
I've often heard preachers say "Abba" = "Daddy" or "Dad", but as I am not an Aramaic scholar I neither believe nor disbelieve it. I have never heard God actually addressed as "Daddy" or "Dad"; often as "Father" and in Albanian as "Atë."

And the only people I call "papa" are Orthodox priests if I see one in the street and want to attract his attention: "O Papa!" I call (though I have sometimes addressed emails to our Baptist pastor in those words, in humour).
Steve Caruso, a noted Aramaic scholar who I am acquainted with, states emphatically that it is inaccurate and that this is one of a number of stupid myths surrounding Aramaic, almost as bad as the claims of Pentecostal or Charismatic glossolalialists to speak it.
Yes—"abba" is the emphatic state of the noun, i.e., it is the noun with the definite article attached. It is most assuredly simply "father"; there is no additional sense of familiarity or endearment or affection in the word. Aramaic places the definite article "-a" ("-o" in Western forms of Syriac) at the end of the word instead of at the beginning as Hebrew and Arabic do; "the father" in those languages is "ha-ab" and "al-ab", respectively. Later forms of Aramaic, such as Syriac and those spoken in 1st-century Galilee, use the emphatic state almost always, with the result that the emphatic state rarely truly expresses definiteness.
 

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David Young said:
And the only people I call "papa" are Orthodox priests if I see one in the street and want to attract his attention: "O Papa!" I call (though I have sometimes addressed emails to our Baptist pastor in those words, in humour).
I grew up Catholic, so calling pastors "Father" is an ingrained habit that's nearly impossible to break. I was once stationed with a Presbyterian chaplain and managed to accidentally call him Father on the daily for about six weeks.

Then last month at the airport I was walking too fast, bumped into an Episcopalian priestess and exclaimed, "Excuse me, Father!" Old habits die hard.
 

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What Caruso writes is, of course, correct. He uses the term 'emphatic state' which is traditional for Aramaic, though I noticed that a recent grammar that I happen to have uses the term 'definite state' which is probably more helpful.

One thing he didn't write is that a vocative in Aramaic is consistently in the 'definite/emphatic state'. I did a quick search of the Aramaic parts of the Hebrew Bible to check this, but, of course, C1st Palestinian Aramaic might be different. I make that point because, the three instances of abba in the NT are all vocative, and translated as ho pater, since the article with a Greek vocative is also normal under certain circumstances.

As used in the NT, then, abba is no more and no less than the normal address of an Aramaic-speaking son, or presumably daughter, to his father. Any possible nuances of affection of familiarity have to be assessed on the basis of the context rather than the word, itself.

In summary - Caruso is right, but he is more of an expert than I am.

- from a learned friend of mine, a pukka Evangelical of impeccable Protestant credentials.
 

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platypus said:
David Young said:
And the only people I call "papa" are Orthodox priests if I see one in the street and want to attract his attention: "O Papa!" I call (though I have sometimes addressed emails to our Baptist pastor in those words, in humour).
I grew up Catholic, so calling pastors "Father" is an ingrained habit that's nearly impossible to break. I was once stationed with a Presbyterian chaplain and managed to accidentally call him Father on the daily for about six weeks.

Then last month at the airport I was walking too fast, bumped into an Episcopalian priestess and exclaimed, "Excuse me, Father!" Old habits die hard.
May I ask why you chose the Platypus as your profile picture of all animals?
 

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Asteriktos said:
As Arnold said, "Who is your abba, and what does he do?"
Supposedly, the human dad.
 

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MalpanaGiwargis said:
I grew up Southern Baptist, and I don't recall hearing this exactly. I heard the oft-repeated (and erroneous) assertion that "abba" means "daddy," but that's as close as I recall.


I'm also acquainted with a WASP homeschool family who enforce this among their children. Instead of having them calling the father "Daddy" they call him "Abba".
 

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To match my username
 

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I'm also acquainted with a WASP homeschool family who enforce this among their children. Instead of having them calling the father "Daddy" they call him "Abba".
Does anybody want to set up a rescue mission?
 

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Agabus said:
maneki_neko said:
I'm also acquainted with a WASP homeschool family who enforce this among their children. Instead of having them calling the father "Daddy" they call him "Abba".
Does anybody want to set up a rescue mission?
Okay so I'm not the only one?  ;D
 

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maneki_neko said:
Agabus said:
maneki_neko said:
I'm also acquainted with a WASP homeschool family who enforce this among their children. Instead of having them calling the father "Daddy" they call him "Abba".
Does anybody want to set up a rescue mission?
Okay so I'm not the only one?  ;D
No, that is wholly weird and smells of cult.

I knew one other person who wanted their children to call him Abba. Weirdly, he told everyone else to call him Papa.
 
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