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Deadly Journeys of the Apostles

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I've just watched the first episode of this series on History Channel. It dealt with the Apostles who headed east: Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthaias. Told about their journeys, their work in India, and their eventual martyrdom. I found it quite interesting as I know very little about that part of Christian history. So my question is this: If you have seen any of this series, how accurate is it? Is it reliable? It's not Orthodox, but does seem to be well researched and appears favourable to Christianity.
 

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genesisone said:
I've just watched the first episode of this series on History Channel. It dealt with the Apostles who headed east: Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthaias. Told about their journeys, their work in India, and their eventual martyrdom. I found it quite interesting as I know very little about that part of Christian history. So my question is this: If you have seen any of this series, how accurate is it? Is it reliable? It's not Orthodox, but does seem to be well researched and appears favourable to Christianity.
I'm guessing their only sources are Eusebius and maybe some Malankara oral tradition. Most secular historians would be skeptical (especially given Eusebius' reputation as a "noble liar"- though whether he deserves that or not is debatable).
 

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genesisone said:
I've just watched the first episode of this series on History Channel. It dealt with the Apostles who headed east: Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthaias. Told about their journeys, their work in India, and their eventual martyrdom. I found it quite interesting as I know very little about that part of Christian history. So my question is this: If you have seen any of this series, how accurate is it? Is it reliable? It's not Orthodox, but does seem to be well researched and appears favourable to Christianity.
The only episode I saw in full was the one you saw.  I was pleasantly surprised: expecting a disaster, it was actually well done.  Most of the episode dealt with St Thomas.  The other two apostles were barely mentioned in comparison, which I thought was unfortunate, but overall it was a good program.  If the other episodes are like this one, I look forward to watching them and perhaps purchasing a copy.   
 

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Volnutt said:
genesisone said:
I've just watched the first episode of this series on History Channel. It dealt with the Apostles who headed east: Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthaias. Told about their journeys, their work in India, and their eventual martyrdom. I found it quite interesting as I know very little about that part of Christian history. So my question is this: If you have seen any of this series, how accurate is it? Is it reliable? It's not Orthodox, but does seem to be well researched and appears favourable to Christianity.
I'm guessing their only sources are Eusebius and maybe some Malankara oral tradition. Most secular historians would be skeptical (especially given Eusebius' reputation as a "noble liar"- though whether he deserves that or not is debatable).
It's been a few weeks since I've watched it, but I don't recall a whole lot of Eusebius being used. 

As to the skepticism of "most secular historians", no one cares. 
 

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Volnutt said:
genesisone said:
I've just watched the first episode of this series on History Channel. It dealt with the Apostles who headed east: Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthaias. Told about their journeys, their work in India, and their eventual martyrdom. I found it quite interesting as I know very little about that part of Christian history. So my question is this: If you have seen any of this series, how accurate is it? Is it reliable? It's not Orthodox, but does seem to be well researched and appears favourable to Christianity.
I'm guessing their only sources are Eusebius and maybe some Malankara oral tradition. Most secular historians would be skeptical (especially given Eusebius' reputation as a "noble liar"- though whether he deserves that or not is debatable).
I've never heard Eusebius called a liar.
 

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biro said:
Volnutt said:
genesisone said:
I've just watched the first episode of this series on History Channel. It dealt with the Apostles who headed east: Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthaias. Told about their journeys, their work in India, and their eventual martyrdom. I found it quite interesting as I know very little about that part of Christian history. So my question is this: If you have seen any of this series, how accurate is it? Is it reliable? It's not Orthodox, but does seem to be well researched and appears favourable to Christianity.
I'm guessing their only sources are Eusebius and maybe some Malankara oral tradition. Most secular historians would be skeptical (especially given Eusebius' reputation as a "noble liar"- though whether he deserves that or not is debatable).
I've never heard Eusebius called a liar.
That it will be necessary sometimes to use falsehood as a remedy for the benefit of those who require such a mode of treatment.- Preparatio Evangelica Book XII, Chapter 31
It's rather complicated, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius#Assessment
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
Volnutt said:
genesisone said:
I've just watched the first episode of this series on History Channel. It dealt with the Apostles who headed east: Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthaias. Told about their journeys, their work in India, and their eventual martyrdom. I found it quite interesting as I know very little about that part of Christian history. So my question is this: If you have seen any of this series, how accurate is it? Is it reliable? It's not Orthodox, but does seem to be well researched and appears favourable to Christianity.
I'm guessing their only sources are Eusebius and maybe some Malankara oral tradition. Most secular historians would be skeptical (especially given Eusebius' reputation as a "noble liar"- though whether he deserves that or not is debatable).
It's been a few weeks since I've watched it, but I don't recall a whole lot of Eusebius being used. 

As to the skepticism of "most secular historians", no one cares.
Ok
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
genesisone said:
I've just watched the first episode of this series on History Channel. It dealt with the Apostles who headed east: Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthaias. Told about their journeys, their work in India, and their eventual martyrdom. I found it quite interesting as I know very little about that part of Christian history. So my question is this: If you have seen any of this series, how accurate is it? Is it reliable? It's not Orthodox, but does seem to be well researched and appears favourable to Christianity.
The only episode I saw in full was the one you saw.  I was pleasantly surprised: expecting a disaster, it was actually well done.  Most of the episode dealt with St Thomas.  The other two apostles were barely mentioned in comparison, which I thought was unfortunate, but overall it was a good program.  If the other episodes are like this one, I look forward to watching them and perhaps purchasing a copy. 
I watched it online at history.ca - not likely available outside Canada. Is it available on history.com? I plan to get started watching the second episode this afternoon.
 
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