- May 24, 2004
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I don't understand. Is the word "faction" offending? I only meant it as the group you are part of. Call your group "the Orthodox Church", fine. The important thing is I'm not debating Chalcedon with you. That was not my intention. And you still don't seem to get it. You agree research is important, but you make an blanket assumption right after that. There's a whole slew of issues you have to research, such as "Can I verify that 'certain theologians' don't take dogmatic definitions seriously?" "Can I verify that the concensus of the Orthodox church fathers really wanted people to follow in an inerrant fashion every iota of an ecumenical council?" "Do I even know what happened in these councils?" "What does the other side believe in rebuttal to the claims made by their opposing division?" In other words, don't make blanket claims unless you can back them up yourself.Jonathan Gress said:One thing I object to in this is that the implication that to uphold the dogmas of Chalcedon and subsequent Councils is the merely the predilection of some 'faction'. It is in fact the traditional teaching of the Orthodox Church. Other than that, I absolutely agree that research is important. The problem comes when certain theologians come to the conclusion that the dogmatic definitions of the Church are mere words and not necessary for salvation.minasoliman said:That's fair enough. I am not telling you to leave your faith, nor do I want to convince you to agree with the so-called "Ecumenists." I just don't want you to blindly follow a bunch of articles without you doing the heavy duty research yourself. And even if you still maintain your loyalty to your faction, at least I want you to have a sense of a rewarding feeling and a better appreciation of why you believe the things you believe.Jonathan Gress said:minasoliman, I am sorry if I have offended you personally. I respect your decision to maintain your own beliefs. I don't believe in lying for the sake of Orthodoxy, and I am not opposed, as I have said, to dialog. I don't believe participation in dialog constitutes ecumenism.
However, one thing I cannot swerve from, and that is my firm belief that the true and saving dogmas of the Orthodox faith have been bequeathed to us by the Seven Ecumenical Councils, and that any deviation from the dogmas defined by those Councils only results in separation from the Church.
God bless you.
Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, those "certain theologians" treat the dogmatic definitions of the Church very seriously, instead of stereotypically lump summing everyone again?