- Mar 8, 2006
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- Portland, Oregon
Putting words in my mouth again, I see. : Jonathan, you really need to stop doing that.Jonathan Gress said:Rereading PtA's last post, I see that he doesn't recognize the difference between member and observer.
As Isa already pointed out, merely repeating the same assertion often enough isn't going to prove it true.Jonathan Gress said:Sure, representatives of an Orthodox church may just turn up to a WCC meeting. As long as they don't sign up for membership or take part in proceedings, I wouldn't say they have compromised their faith by joining a heretical organization (although it may still scandalize the faithful). This is what ROCA representatives did in the early years of the WCC, and also there were ROCA representatives observing the Second Vatican Council. They didn't join the Roman Church, of course, or take part; they were just sitting in as guests.
With the Orthodox members of the WCC, we're dealing with something totally different. These guys have 'signed on the dotted line'. They bought the right to participate in WCC meetings with a compromise of Orthodox ecclesiology. They aren't neutral observers; they are full members. That's why we can hold them to account. And especially when they start pointing to certain passages of the WCC Toronto statement taken out of context in order to prove they are not taking part in heresy, we are quite justified in pointing out the other, heretical parts of the statement.