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Do you like Joyce Meyer?

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A woman theologian? Heresy. The only thing she should be theologizing is on what type of sandwich to make me in the kitchen.
 

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JamesR said:
A woman theologian? Heresy. The only thing she should be theologizing is on what type of sandwich to make me in the kitchen.
O Lord help me, help me Lord!
 

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JamesR said:
A woman theologian? Heresy. The only thing she should be theologizing is on what type of sandwich to make me in the kitchen.
when i was in grade 7 I had an orthodox woman teaching me the gospel. How is this a heresy?

also since when is she your slave?
 

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JamesR said:
A woman theologian? Heresy.
Get thee to reading Frederica Mathewes-Green, stat.

JamesR said:
The only thing she should be theologizing is on what type of sandwich to make me in the kitchen.
I have an answer to that, but it's not forum-appropriate... :angel:

Re: Joyce Meyer: Meh. Feel-good Jesus-is-my-homeboy fluff. She's fun to watch or read, but labelling her a theologian borders on misinformation. Christian inspirational writer would be more accurate.
 

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JamesR said:
A woman theologian? Heresy. The only thing she should be theologizing is on what type of sandwich to make me in the kitchen.
We already have one Punch, we don't need two.
 

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To be fair, the Church has only named three people as theologians--St. John the Theologian, St. Gregory the Theologian, and St. Symeon the New Theologian.

But, the one who prays is a theologian. Though I think few people, when compared to the saints of our Church, can claim to truly pray.
 

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tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
A woman theologian? Heresy. The only thing she should be theologizing is on what type of sandwich to make me in the kitchen.
when i was in grade 7 I had an orthodox woman teaching me the gospel. How is this a heresy?

also since when is she your slave?
I think he's just trolling. Hopefully. lol.
 

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Shanghaiski said:
But, the one who prays is a theologian. Though I think few people, when compared to the saints of our Church, can claim to truly pray.
absolutely to that. But I try to not compare myself to anyone. I Have my virtues and flaws. And they have their own virtues and flaws. And we are both unique.
 

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primuspilus said:
what do you think of her general theology?
No different than any other pusher of that prosperity gospel nonsense.

I would not call her a theologian any more than I would call McDonalds a high quality establishment.

PP
How do you compare a human being to macdonalds?
And as for the "prosperity gospel". I would say that the point she is trying to make is that there is always a better way to do things. Without one winning and one losing.
 

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tweety234 said:
primuspilus said:
what do you think of her general theology?
No different than any other pusher of that prosperity gospel nonsense.

I would not call her a theologian any more than I would call McDonalds a high quality establishment.

PP
How do you compare a human being to macdonalds?
It's an analogy, "X is to Y as A is to B" and all that.
 

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tweety234 said:
primuspilus said:
what do you think of her general theology?
No different than any other pusher of that prosperity gospel nonsense.

I would not call her a theologian any more than I would call McDonalds a high quality establishment.

PP
How do you compare a human being to macdonalds?
And as for the "prosperity gospel". I would say that the point she is trying to make is that there is always a better way to do things, that don't involve one to be right and one to be wrong. Because we are both right and wrong at different things. We are neither right nor wrong on everything.
Easy eve was made from Adams McRib
 

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Arachne said:
orthonorm said:
Arachne said:
JamesR said:
A woman theologian? Heresy.
Get thee to reading Frederica Mathewes-Green, stat.
You can't spell heresy without her.
Those who coined the word apparently could, very well.
No one coins words . . .

Even still, those old guys knew what they were saying, after it is a feminine noun.

So my joke stands.
 

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I don't know who the lady referred to is, so I have no opinion.

As to how one "theologizes" a sandwich, does that lead to double-decker clubs (three equal slices of bread) or that there are three levels in a sandwich of bread-filling-bread?  And what of open-faced ones such as the Danish Smorrebrod?

http://www.danishsandwich.com/

And anyway, people should be more active and make their *own* sandwiches.  

;D
 

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Sandwiches are so yesterday. Why not something else? Like pasta or seafood? Or seafood pasta? yum yum.
 

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I dislike Joyce Meyer.  Maybe it's my past, or the nutty bigots in town giving this type of Christianity a bad name, but I just can't sit and watch one of those people.  She reminds me of Pat Robertson and Joel Olsteen.  No, thanks. 

I really dislike this Jesus-is-my-boyfriend-and-wants-to-make-me-rich type of Christianity that her side pushes. 
 

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She had a bit of a brutal childhood I hear. Abusive father. I think a big statement of her faith was that she forgave her father and has included him in her life and ministry today. I respect this. She may be able to help others who have experienced the same thing.

Not sure if she's heretic, not for me to say. But I know she doesn't fully profess Orthodox teaching and Lord save us from women preachers, so I don't really follow her.


 

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sheenj said:
tweety234 said:
primuspilus said:
what do you think of her general theology?
No different than any other pusher of that prosperity gospel nonsense.

I would not call her a theologian any more than I would call McDonalds a high quality establishment.

PP
How do you compare a human being to macdonalds?
It's an analogy, "X is to Y as A is to B" and all that.

different letters of the same alphabet.
 

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tweety234 said:
sheenj said:
tweety234 said:
primuspilus said:
what do you think of her general theology?
No different than any other pusher of that prosperity gospel nonsense.

I would not call her a theologian any more than I would call McDonalds a high quality establishment.

PP
How do you compare a human being to macdonalds?
It's an analogy, "X is to Y as A is to B" and all that.

different letters of the same alphabet.
Oh Tweety and I thought you were waxing poetic!

tweety234 said:
How do you compare a human being to macdonalds?
I mean how can you compare something so run of the mill and day to day which pervades every square foot of the earth to the singular and unrepeatable McDonald's Double Cheeseburger?

Oh well . . . .


p.s.

Hey Primus,

Look at what I did there. It is pretty easy.

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I would not call her a theologian any more than I would call McDonalds a high quality establishment.

PP
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It's an analogy, "X is to Y as A is to B" and all that.
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different letters of the same alphabet.
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I just simply replied to tweety via the quote button. Doing so, keeps everything linked back to its original. Although you could tamper with the quoted material, the website won't break down or anything if the two quotes don't match, but it often considered in poor taste to simply change what others have said without pointing out those changes. On some forums that is an offense you can be moderated for. Although with the right group, you can change some of the words to be funny and everyone laughs and doesn't take it too seriously.

And I am using the code tag which tells the software not to render any other tags, or links, or whatever have, so that everyone can see what code is being used. For a quote it is not that big of a deal, but some even use the code tag to set out code on boards for discussing stuff like PHP or whatever.

Now I simply removed all the nested quoting from the above to emphasize tweety's comment to make a funny about it. Now it isn't exactly his original words (I left some out, well so did he or you, I am losing track), but because I anchored his my use of his words to the original, anyone can check to see the context, if I am being accurate, etc.

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Hope this helps.
 

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tweety234 said:
what do you think of her general theology?
Where would one go to understand her "general theology"? 

From what I know of her, and others of similar reputation, the problem with their theology is that it is only their theology.  In other words, they are not concerned about accepting the theology of the Church, are not concerned about sound doctrine, but tend to teach and preach based on whatever "God reveals to them".  So, their very method of theologizing is rooted in spiritual delusion.  The "proof" of this delusion is that she (and others like her) repeatedly say that "God revealed to me" or "God put in my heart" a certain teaching, and then in elaborating upon what "God revealed" to them, they proceed to express teachings which contradict what the Church (the pillar and ground of truth - 1 Tim 3:15) has always believed and taught.  If a person claims to be speaking from what God supposedly revealed to them, then they set themselves up as a prophet.  If they then speak falsely, then they are a false prophet.

Since she is not part of the Church, has never been catechized in the Church, has never been given the blessing to teach from any bishop of the Church, what value would there be in listening to or reading her teachings?
 

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Joyce meyer teach that Jesus was tortured by demon in hell in order to save men. She teaches Jesus finished the atonement in hell but not on cross. Such teaching has been critized by many Protestant Churches.

And She has bought a $23000 Golden toilet in her home and has a very luxurious life. This also condemned by many Protestant Christians.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y4eVu2oxP8
Any comment about joyce meyer's teaching which all Christian are little gods? Is there any difference between her teaching of 'little god' and Orthodox teaching of ' theosis'?
 

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Any comment about joyce meyer's teaching which all Christian are little gods? Is there any difference between her teaching of 'little god' and Orthodox teaching of ' theosis'?
There is really no similarity.  There is no Orthodox teaching that all Christians are little gods.  We are to become like God by grace, but we must first go through purification and illumination.  Her teaching seems to amount to another "name it and claim it" methodology ("I am a representatitive of God" - 2:27), which is simply a form of self-hypnotism through positive self-affirmation, a psychological method that is rooted in the occult.  She says, for instance:

"It is important that we know who we are, and that we walk with that power consciousness" (4:24)
Theosis has nothing at all to do with claiming something exalted about ourselves so that we can "walk with that power consciousness".  This is a pagan and occult way of thinking.  To come to theosis, we do not play games in our minds, thinking of how we are gods, but we reproach ourselves, weep over our sins, and consider ourselves the most miserable of sinners.  Through repentance comes true humility, and humility attracts the grace of God which both illumines and deifies.  This is the difference between Christian theosis and her demonic teaching.  "Little god" is not something we claim.  Rather, we aspire to become like God, by His grace, through humility, purity of heart, and obedience to Christ's commandments.
 
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