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does anyone care to explain this because I don't get it?

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What is the lake of fire (gehenna)? is it a lake where we will be boiling and swimming for one eternity, where god will light fire on it? what is it?
 

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It is a metaphor.  There is no actual physical fire as far as we can tell.
 

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tweety234 said:
What is the lake of fire (gehenna)? is it a lake where we will be boiling and swimming for one eternity, where god will light fire on it? what is it?
It's Las Vegas after the Apocalypse.
 

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I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
 

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JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
Then you don't understand the Orthodox concept of hell. I find it far worse than the western concept.
 

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JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
 

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tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's probably one of the many Buddhist narakas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_%28Buddhism%29
 

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88Devin12 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
Then you don't understand the Orthodox concept of hell. I find it far worse than the western concept.
how is being burned and boiled in a lake with fire for an eternity, any better than hell being just a state of being?
 

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tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's certainly not the early Christian view of hell and really didn't start popping up in Christianity until the West started its fall into heresy.
 

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88Devin12 said:
tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's certainly not the early Christian view of hell and really didn't start popping up in Christianity until the West started its fall into heresy.

what is the early christian belief of hell and how exactly is it far worse than the hell of the westerners?
 

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Romaios said:
tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's probably one of the many Buddhist narakas....
...the worst of which is:

Avīci, the "uninterrupted" Naraka. Beings are roasted in an immense blazing oven with terrible suffering. Life in this Naraka is 3.39738624×10^18 years long.
 

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JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
Hell has no east or west.  Just the metaphors and other words used to try to describe it.  And yes, it CAN be THAT bad!  Definitely try to avoid hell.  Tempting God, i.e. thinking "...more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell." is NOT a good way to avoid hell.
 

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It's where you spend all of eternity if you do not repent of sin.
 

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Jetavan said:
Romaios said:
tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's probably one of the many Buddhist narakas....
...the worst of which is:

Avīci, the "uninterrupted" Naraka. Beings are roasted in an immense blazing oven with terrible suffering. Life in this Naraka is 3.39738624×10^18 years long.
They counted?
 

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88Devin12 said:
tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's certainly not the early Christian view of hell and really didn't start popping up in Christianity until the West started its fall into heresy.
I'm not advocating for western hell, but there DEFINITELY were early Christians who believed in a literal Gehenna Hell, otherwise the heretical Apocalypse of Peter would not exist.
 

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pmpn8rGPT said:
88Devin12 said:
tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's certainly not the early Christian view of hell and really didn't start popping up in Christianity until the West started its fall into heresy.
I'm not advocating for western hell, but there DEFINITELY were early Christians who believed in a literal Gehenna Hell, otherwise the heretical Apocalypse of Peter would not exist.
Early Christian heretics aren't Christian, like Mornons and Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Christians.
 

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biro said:
Jetavan said:
Romaios said:
tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's probably one of the many Buddhist narakas....
...the worst of which is:

Avīci, the "uninterrupted" Naraka. Beings are roasted in an immense blazing oven with terrible suffering. Life in this Naraka is 3.39738624×10^18 years long.
They counted?
God is a mathematician.
 

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Jetavan said:
biro said:
Jetavan said:
Romaios said:
tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's probably one of the many Buddhist narakas....
...the worst of which is:

Avīci, the "uninterrupted" Naraka. Beings are roasted in an immense blazing oven with terrible suffering. Life in this Naraka is 3.39738624×10^18 years long.
They counted?
God is a mathematician.
Biblically can mathematics be grouped under, "traditions of men"?
 

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So many know about concepts to somewhere they have not been, nor know absolutely anybody who has directly been...

That includes Theologians & Saints.  Nobody knows what Hell is.
 

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Ashman618 said:
Jetavan said:
biro said:
Jetavan said:
Romaios said:
tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's probably one of the many Buddhist narakas....
...the worst of which is:

Avīci, the "uninterrupted" Naraka. Beings are roasted in an immense blazing oven with terrible suffering. Life in this Naraka is 3.39738624×10^18 years long.
They counted?
God is a mathematician.
Biblically can mathematics be grouped under, "traditions of men"?
Yeah, one could say that mathematics, like the laws of Moses, prepared (and prepares) man for the messiah.
 

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Hell is a physical place as well as a spiritual place, the fire in Hell is real.  On the Last Day when we are joined again with our Bodies, the wicked will be thrown body and soul into hell, and both body and soul will burn forever.

Not only is this in scripture but it is present among the Fathers of the Church.

"[Jesus] shall come from the heavens in glory with his angelic host, when he shall raise the bodies of all the men who ever lived. Then he will clothe the worthy in immortality; but the wicked, clothed in eternal sensibility, he will commit to the eternal fire, along with the evil demons" (ibid., 52). St Justin Martyr

"We shall be raised therefore, all with our bodies eternal, but not all with bodies alike: for if a man is righteous, he will receive a heavenly body, that he may be able worthily to hold converse with angels; but if a man is a sinner, he shall receive an eternal body, fitted to endure the penalties of sins, that he may burn eternally in fire, nor ever be consumed. And righteously will God assign this portion to either company; for we do nothing without the body. We b.aspheme with the mouth, and with the mouth we pray. With the body we commit fornication, and with the body we keep chastity. With the hand we rob, and by the hand we bestow alms; and the rest in like manner. Since then the body has been our minister in all things, it shall also share with us in the future the fruits of the past"  St Cyril of Jerusalem (Catechetical Lectures 18:19 [A.D. 350]). 


 

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yeshuaisiam said:
So many know about concepts to somewhere they have not been, nor know absolutely anybody who has directly been...

That includes Theologians & Saints.  Nobody knows what Hell is.
Our Lord Jesus Christ who is Eternal truth knows what hell is, and he described it for us so that we are motivated to not go there.
 

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biro said:
Jetavan said:
Romaios said:
tweety234 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
how exactly is the western hell?
It's probably one of the many Buddhist narakas....
...the worst of which is:

Avīci, the "uninterrupted" Naraka. Beings are roasted in an immense blazing oven with terrible suffering. Life in this Naraka is 3.39738624×10^18 years long.
They counted?
Haha, this is Buddhism we're talking about, everything is counted, categorized, and filed.
 

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tweety234 said:
88Devin12 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
Then you don't understand the Orthodox concept of hell. I find it far worse than the western concept.
how is being burned and boiled in a lake with fire for an eternity, any better than hell being just a state of being?
From the basic premise that what is spiritual takes precedence over what is material.
 

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Iconodule said:
tweety234 said:
88Devin12 said:
JamesR said:
I have to admit, after learning about the Eastern Orthodox conception of Hell, I find myself MUCH less afraid of Hell--and probably more willing to take chances and sin, thinking, "Well, it can't be THAT bad, at least it isn't like western Hell".
Then you don't understand the Orthodox concept of hell. I find it far worse than the western concept.
how is being burned and boiled in a lake with fire for an eternity, any better than hell being just a state of being?
From the basic premise that what is spiritual takes precedence over what is material.
I thought the choices were spiritually eternally burnt to a crisp by God's love, or spiritually eternally burnt to a crisp by the pain of the loss of Heaven and materially eternally burnt to a crisp by flames that give no light whatsoever. No material only option  ???
 
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