Does Judaism believe in Satan ?

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Yes , your right , but we have to forgive them for the lord desires mercy above all else.

The thing about satan is that why would they accept the book of Job as scripture , then deny that satan exists?

And also I think with all the answers here have been pointing to the reality that they rewrote much of their thinking on Demons and the Devil after Christianity took hold, and in the Gospels they were accused of saying John the Baptist and Jesus were possessed by The devil or demons.
 

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Sinful Hypocrite said:
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As far as Judaism vs Christianity goes, I wonder when the idea of Satan being a single person and chief of the fallen angels first appeared? Was this taught in Judaism at all or is it a late day Christian idea?
Jesus seemed to have a good understanding of Satan as an individual being.  This being the case, why would we care what the Jews believe?  They obviously did not get it right or they would not have crucified their savior.  So, what would cause us to believe that they understood anything about the spiritual world.
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27“But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31Do to others as you would have them do to you.

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Am I wrong to think that the above passage is from Luke 6? I am posting as a moderator because I should not have to guess. In the future, please fully source any citations. Thanks, Second Chance
 

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So in conclusion, Rabbinical Judaism which was formed after the destruction of the Temple, denies the teaching that Lucifer/Satan is a fallen Angel and do they also deny fallen angels which we call demons ?.

 

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That is a later development by the Rabbis, initially Judaism very much believed in Demons as negative spiritual entities.  The concept of Ha-Satan being a mass representation of Evil or Negativity is indeed very Jewish, however to assert that this concept of evil is also not represented by living spiritual entities is a bit of a recent development.  Today, some Rabbis argue that Satan is merely the flip-side of the coin of free will, not a living being at all, but merely a statistical reality of free-will.  However, the earlier writings of Jewish scholars and especially Biblical commentaries agree very much with the Enochian concept of Satan being a cabal of fallen angels, having been inspired by the rebellion of a single angel who we in Christianity refer to as "the Devil" or "Satan."  It is then true that "Satan" is a concept of evil in Judaism, but I'm not sure its fair to state historically that demons and devils were not personalities as well as concepts.

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The teaching of 1st century Judaism and before Christ was that the Devil and His Demons were fallen angels in Judaism ?,
 

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One Israeli rabbinic scholar claimed to me that the idea of demons besides Satan himself is not an idea in the OT, suggesting that the idea of lesser demons is a gentile belief. However, I remember finding some places in the OT that seemed to reflect ideas of demons, like when it said an evil spirit did something bad to someone.

Pagan gods were also considered bad and sometimes translated in the KJV as demons I think.

As for Rabbinical traditions, it seems to me there was a Talmudic tradition about King Solomon using his ring, and perhaps what we call the Star of David, to control demons. I was in the process now of asking you "Does that ring a bell?", and then a Christmas bell on my table rang. I guess it does.
 

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rakovsky said:
One Israeli rabbinic scholar claimed to me that the idea of demons besides Satan himself is not an idea in the OT, suggesting that the idea of lesser demons is a gentile belief. However, I remember finding some places in the OT that seemed to reflect ideas of demons, like when it said an evil spirit did something bad to someone.

Pagan gods were also considered bad and sometimes translated in the KJV as demons I think.

As for Rabbinical traditions, it seems to me there was a Talmudic tradition about King Solomon using his ring, and perhaps what we call the Star of David, to control demons. I was in the process now of asking you "Does that ring a bell?", and then a Christmas bell on my table rang. I guess it does.
But then the question arises: are all evil spirits and "demons" necessarily angels who sinned against God?  My understanding of rabbinic Judaism is that the answer would be no.
 

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An example I found of an evil spirit was 1 Samuel 18:8-11. It describes an evil spirit sent by God to Saul, who then throws a spear at David. It seems like this act was not directly ordered by God, but by the bad spirit sent by Him. I am not sure this kind of spirit is different than a demon, since the tradition says a demon can also be sent out of one thing and into another by a holy person. Plus, Saul seems to be portrayed as what we might call a nasty mentally ill person nowadays, and this all seems to be the state of some people described as having "demons."

However, this spirit was sent by God, so it seems doubtful that the evil spirit was rebelling against God. Yet the demon was attacking God's anointed. So perhaps in doing so the demon was rebelling against God: In Psalm 3 David writes that many enemies rebelled against him, and the Church fathers have commented that this refers to evil forces that attack a person - not just to David's physical enemies. In that case, it's conceivable that the Old Testament hints at demonic forces that acted against God.
 

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psalm110 said:
So in conclusion, Rabbinical Judaism which was formed after the destruction of the Temple, denies the teaching that Lucifer/Satan is a fallen Angel and do they also deny fallen angels which we call demons ?.
Rabbinical Judaism was not formed after the destruction of the Temple.The Pharisaical branch of Judaism survived in the diaspora after the destruction of the Temple for several reasons  not the least of which was their emphasis on home based worship. Their school long preceded the destruction of the Temple.

Rabbi Hillel  preceded Jesus by about 100 years. His teachings are strongly echoed in the sayings and teachings of Jesus especially emphasis on the Golden Rule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillel_the_Elder    

Hillel (הלל) (born Babylon traditionally c.110 BCE, died 10 CE[1] in Jerusalem) was a famous Jewish religious leader, one of the most important figures in Jewish history.[citation needed] He is associated with the development of the Mishnah and the Talmud. Renowned within Judaism as a sage and scholar,[citation needed] he was the founder of the House of Hillel school for Tannaïm (Sages of the Mishnah) and the founder of a dynasty of Sages who stood at the head of the Jews living in the land of Israel until roughly the fifth century of the Common Era.

He is popularly known as the author of two sayings: "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And when I am for myself, what am 'I'? And if not now, when?"[2] and the expression of the ethic of reciprocity, or "Golden Rule": "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."[3]  
 

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^^ for the post guys.

Why did they stop believing in the devil and demon since there are many references in the OT and in the deuotroconical scriptures ?
 

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rakovsky said:
An example I found of an evil spirit was 1 Samuel 18:8-11. It describes an evil spirit sent by God to Saul, who then throws a spear at David. It seems like this act was not directly ordered by God, but by the bad spirit sent by Him. I am not sure this kind of spirit is different than a demon, since the tradition says a demon can also be sent out of one thing and into another by a holy person. Plus, Saul seems to be portrayed as what we might call a nasty mentally ill person nowadays, and this all seems to be the state of some people described as having "demons."

However, this spirit was sent by God, so it seems doubtful that the evil spirit was rebelling against God. Yet the demon was attacking God's anointed. So perhaps in doing so the demon was rebelling against God: In Psalm 3 David writes that many enemies rebelled against him, and the Church fathers have commented that this refers to evil forces that attack a person - not just to David's physical enemies. In that case, it's conceivable that the Old Testament hints at demonic forces that acted against God.
However that is not the only interpretation: this article on Maimonides' view of the hardening of Pharoah's heart, IMO, could just as easily apply to the passage from Sameul http://www.jewishideas.org/articles/did-god-harden-pharaohs-heart-alternative-view
 

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They're probably Reformed. Ancient Judaism definitely did believe in demons, there are all kinds of rules in the Babylonian Talmud involving demons. Ex. It forbids people from sleeping alone in a house because they will be seized by the Lilith demon. Also, if you have wet dreams you are giving birth to ghosts and demons.
 

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JamesRottnek said:
rakovsky said:
An example I found of an evil spirit was 1 Samuel 18:8-11. It describes an evil spirit sent by God to Saul, who then throws a spear at David. It seems like this act was not directly ordered by God, but by the bad spirit sent by Him. I am not sure this kind of spirit is different than a demon, since the tradition says a demon can also be sent out of one thing and into another by a holy person. Plus, Saul seems to be portrayed as what we might call a nasty mentally ill person nowadays, and this all seems to be the state of some people described as having "demons."

However, this spirit was sent by God, so it seems doubtful that the evil spirit was rebelling against God. Yet the demon was attacking God's anointed. So perhaps in doing so the demon was rebelling against God: In Psalm 3 David writes that many enemies rebelled against him, and the Church fathers have commented that this refers to evil forces that attack a person - not just to David's physical enemies. In that case, it's conceivable that the Old Testament hints at demonic forces that acted against God.
However that is not the only interpretation: this article on Maimonides' view of the hardening of Pharoah's heart, IMO, could just as easily apply to the passage from Sameul http://www.jewishideas.org/articles/did-god-harden-pharaohs-heart-alternative-view
Well, would that mean God was intentionally doing what is evil, albeit desiring to ultimately achieve a greater good? The way I get around this is by saying the evil spirit had the choice on whether to get Saul to throw the spear, and in throwing the spear the evil spirit was acting against God's anointed and thus against God Himself, thereby choosing to rebel. god allowed this to happen and knew it would, but did not choose how the evil spirit would act.

The evil spirit could also have "tested" Saul and Saul had the choice whether to obey the spirit or God, and the spirit did not force Saul to act. Also perhaps in that case God did not directly cause Saul's bad choice to throw the spear.
 

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rakovsky said:
JamesRottnek said:
rakovsky said:
An example I found of an evil spirit was 1 Samuel 18:8-11. It describes an evil spirit sent by God to Saul, who then throws a spear at David. It seems like this act was not directly ordered by God, but by the bad spirit sent by Him. I am not sure this kind of spirit is different than a demon, since the tradition says a demon can also be sent out of one thing and into another by a holy person. Plus, Saul seems to be portrayed as what we might call a nasty mentally ill person nowadays, and this all seems to be the state of some people described as having "demons."

However, this spirit was sent by God, so it seems doubtful that the evil spirit was rebelling against God. Yet the demon was attacking God's anointed. So perhaps in doing so the demon was rebelling against God: In Psalm 3 David writes that many enemies rebelled against him, and the Church fathers have commented that this refers to evil forces that attack a person - not just to David's physical enemies. In that case, it's conceivable that the Old Testament hints at demonic forces that acted against God.
However that is not the only interpretation: this article on Maimonides' view of the hardening of Pharoah's heart, IMO, could just as easily apply to the passage from Sameul http://www.jewishideas.org/articles/did-god-harden-pharaohs-heart-alternative-view
Well, would that mean God was intentionally doing what is evil, albeit desiring to ultimately achieve a greater good? The way I get around this is by saying the evil spirit had the choice on whether to get Saul to throw the spear, and in throwing the spear the evil spirit was acting against God's anointed and thus against God Himself, thereby choosing to rebel. god allowed this to happen and knew it would, but did not choose how the evil spirit would act.

The evil spirit could also have "tested" Saul and Saul had the choice whether to obey the spirit or God, and the spirit did not force Saul to act. Also perhaps in that case God did not directly cause Saul's bad choice to throw the spear.
Did you read all the way through the article?  Essentially what it says is that Maimonides believed that references like "God hardened Pharoah's heart" (and one could extend this to "And God sent an evil spirit to Saul") were just a way of saying "Ultimately, God caused everything because He is Creator and created the laws of nature."  Talk about an evil spirit could be, extending this line of reasoning, a metaphor for mental illness, or a bad desire, and talk of God sending it could really just mean that, because God created all things, He is ultimately responsible for the way that Saul turned out; it would not necessarily mean that an actual evil spirit existed, nor that God actually sent an evil spirit in an immediate sense.
 
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I read a book detailing 5 separate well documented exorcisms.
Hostage to the Devil - The Possession and Exorcism of Five Contemporary Americans
by Malachi Martin

Malachi was a ordained Catholic priest before he left to write and teach.

There is one about what happened when the priest was overcome by the demon, and he has never recovered fully. Very well respected and highly readable account of the subject.
 

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  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the New Testament itself doesn't explain the origins of evil spirits.  It just assumes they exist. people experience them.  But it doesn't necessarily imply that every evil spirit is a fallen angel or anything like that.
 

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Sinful Hypocrite said:
I read a book detailing 5 separate well documented exorcisms.
Hostage to the Devil - The Possession and Exorcism of Five Contemporary Americans
by Malachi Martin

Malachi was a ordained Catholic priest before he left to write and teach.

There is one about what happened when the priest was overcome by the demon, and he has never recovered fully. Very well respected and highly readable account of the subject.
I remember reading that book and being very scared worse than any scary book or horror film.
 
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