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Shalom, how can anyone explain to me why Paskha is also called so called "Easter" in English? Where does the word "Easter" originate from? If the word "Easter" is not found in the original Greek Bible, why do Christians refer to Pasha as "Easter"? If this topic is in thw wrong section, please move it to the relevant section, blessings
 

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andrewlya said:
Shalom, how can anyone explain to me why Paskha is also called so called "Easter" in English? Where does the word "Easter" originate from? If the word "Easter" is not found in the original Greek Bible, why do Christians refer to Pasha as "Easter"? If this topic is in thw wrong section, please move it to the relevant section, blessings
I think the original celebration Easter on the Universal Calendar was pagan until the birth of Christ.
 

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It's from the word east, the direction in which we pray.
 

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It’s because we English-speaking Christians worship Ishtar. This happened after our Sumerian forebears, fleeing Sasanian incursions, fled to Western Europe and eventually the British isles, settling there and renewing the worship of Ishtar under a clever Christian guise. Come to one of our temples next Easter and feel the power.
 

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Yea, if you can pay for your tickets across the Ocean to the other Continent.
 

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Iconodule said:
It’s because we English-speaking Christians worship Ishtar. This happened after our Sumerian forebears, fleeing Sasanian incursions, fled to Western Europe and eventually the British isles, settling there and renewing the worship of Ishtar under a clever Christian guise. Come to one of our temples next Easter and feel the power.
I will light a fire next Easter.
 

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The Greek Bible wasn't the original since Jesus spoke in Aramaic. For English speakers the KJV is the authorized or official or orthodox version. And the KJV does use "easter" in Acts 12:4, thus showing that it is a proper term.
 

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This is one of the most thorough explanations I have ever found:

http://www.easterau.com/

The page traces the linguistic development of Pascha from Hebrew to Greek to Latin and its daughter languages as well as the Germanic Oester antecedant to the English Easter.
 

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The word Easter comes from the German Goddess of New Life, Ostara. The Bunny is because bunnies reproduce, and are a German pagan symbol of renewal of life. The egg has similar connotations in German paganism. Ostara in Germany becomes Eastra in Anglo-Saxon England, and eventually the Feast of the Resurrection becomes known as Easter. You can look this up if you choose to confirm. It has nothing to do with facing East.
 

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Yes it does. The Resurrection will occur there, which is why we face there in the first place.

Anyway, the 'pun' only works in English. In pretty much every other language, Easter is referred to as Pascha, or a similar word, which means Passover.

Andrew is again pulling our collective leg. He knows this, as we've told him before, and is just trying to make space so he can spray his Arian nonsense.
 

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Diego said:
The word Easter comes from the German Goddess of New Life, Ostara. The Bunny is because bunnies reproduce, and are a German pagan symbol of renewal of life. The egg has similar connotations in German paganism. Ostara in Germany becomes Eastra in Anglo-Saxon England, and eventually the Feast of the Resurrection becomes known as Easter. You can look this up if you choose to confirm. It has nothing to do with facing East.
I learned it in my Chick tracts.
 

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biro said:
Yes it does. The Resurrection will occur there, which is why we face there in the first place.

Anyway, the 'pun' only works in English. In pretty much every other language, Easter is referred to as Pascha, or a similar word, which means Passover.

Andrew is again pulling our collective leg. He knows this, as we've told him before, and is just trying to make space so he can spray his Arian nonsense.
I am aware of why we face East. But it has nothing to do with Easter, and in fact, this is the first time I have ever heard that explanation before, and it does not coincide with received research. Check Wikipedia for further information.
 

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The ancients decided to use "Easter" because it sounds better than "Wester."  :)
 

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Luke said:
The ancients decided to use "Easter" because it sounds better than "Wester."  :)
;D
 

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Diego said:
The word Easter comes from the German Goddess of New Life, Ostara. The Bunny is because bunnies reproduce, and are a German pagan symbol of renewal of life. The egg has similar connotations in German paganism. Ostara in Germany becomes Eastra in Anglo-Saxon England, and eventually the Feast of the Resurrection becomes known as Easter. You can look this up if you choose to confirm. It has nothing to do with facing East.
The particular goddess only appears in Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum, which suggests he either misunderstood his sources or he was making things up.
 

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Arachne said:
Diego said:
The word Easter comes from the German Goddess of New Life, Ostara. The Bunny is because bunnies reproduce, and are a German pagan symbol of renewal of life. The egg has similar connotations in German paganism. Ostara in Germany becomes Eastra in Anglo-Saxon England, and eventually the Feast of the Resurrection becomes known as Easter. You can look this up if you choose to confirm. It has nothing to do with facing East.
The particular goddess only appears in Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum, which suggests he either misunderstood his sources or he was making things up.
Ostara appears throughout pagan Germany. Reference to Eastre in England may only appear in Bede.
 

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Iconodule said:
It’s because we English-speaking Christians worship Ishtar. This happened after our Sumerian forebears, fleeing Sasanian incursions, fled to Western Europe and eventually the British isles, settling there and renewing the worship of Ishtar under a clever Christian guise. Come to one of our temples next Easter and feel the power.
ROFL!  I love you bro.  :D
 

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Diego said:
Arachne said:
Diego said:
The word Easter comes from the German Goddess of New Life, Ostara. The Bunny is because bunnies reproduce, and are a German pagan symbol of renewal of life. The egg has similar connotations in German paganism. Ostara in Germany becomes Eastra in Anglo-Saxon England, and eventually the Feast of the Resurrection becomes known as Easter. You can look this up if you choose to confirm. It has nothing to do with facing East.
The particular goddess only appears in Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum, which suggests he either misunderstood his sources or he was making things up.
Ostara appears throughout pagan Germany. Reference to Eastre in England may only appear in Bede.
Maybe (do any German sources predate Bede?) but it still scuppers the linguistic connection in English.
 

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Diego said:
The egg has similar connotations in German paganism. Ostara in Germany becomes Eastra in Anglo-Saxon England, and eventually the Feast of the Resurrection becomes known as Easter. You can look this up if you choose to confirm. It has nothing to do with facing East.
This is incorrect.  There is no evidence supporting worship of Ostara as Easter in England; as far as we know, the Angles may have practiced a variant form of Germanic paganism with different theonyms, the Saxons and Danes would have used Ostara, and the Celts and Picts practiced an entirely different religion.

Now, on your second point, the egg is a universal symbol of spring and was in antiquity; painted eggs are a tradition throughout Christendom; your Germano-centric theory fails to hold water because in the first millenium of Christianity, Germany and England both were backwaters, as was Ireland (which is probably why it attracted Coptic monks).  The three centers of Early Christianity, Antioch, Alexander, and Rome, were briefly joined by Jerusalem and Constantinople; later, due to the rise of Islam, the three centers of political power shifted to Rome, Constantinople, and Seleucia-Cstesiphon, located near ancient Babylon and modern Baghdad (Babylon was abandoned for a time due to move,ents of the Tigris, leading to the comstruction of Seleucia-Cstesiphon, which was then abandoned after the Islamic conquest as Babylon had become habitable again and the Muslims wanted a new city to be built adjacent to it; thus to this day the abandoned ruins of Babylon and Seleucia-Cstesiphon surround Baghdad).

The reason why Seleucia-Cstesiphon was so powerful is that it was the seat of the Catholicos of the Assyrian Church of the East, and also an important archdiocese in the Syriac Orthodox Church.  In the 8th century, the Church of the East was geographically the largest in the world, stretching to Tibet, China and Mongolia across central Asia, and it is possible from the existence of Oriental Orthodoxy in English before the Portuguese conquest that the Syriac Orthodox formed a rival hierarchy composed of bishops opposed to the semi-Nestorian Christology of the Church of the East.  This all ended in the 1200, when Tamerlane, the Mongolian Muslim despot, conducted a massive genocide of Christians, killing every member of the Church of the East who would not convert in Mongolia, China, Tibet and most of Central Asia, so within mere decades the Church of the East was limited to Persia, Mesopotamia, and Malankara. 

And in that same century, Venice conquered Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade and we can cite Venice as being a new center of power in Christendom, and seperately, Germany had become a major center of trade, with Cologne a major ecclesiastical hub, and England likewise under the Normans, hence the rise of Canterbury.

AT any rate, the universal custom was to paint eggs red.  There exist several images of St. Mary Magdalene holding a red egg, the story being that a Roman governor said to her “If Christ died, one of the eggs in this basket will turn red if you pick it up,” and voila.

The egg-painting custom exists in other religions as well; Yazidis break colorful painted eggs as a fertility ritual on their new year to commemorate the Spring, and I believe this is a pan-Christian tradition.
 

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Arachne said:
Diego said:
Arachne said:
Diego said:
The word Easter comes from the German Goddess of New Life, Ostara. The Bunny is because bunnies reproduce, and are a German pagan symbol of renewal of life. The egg has similar connotations in German paganism. Ostara in Germany becomes Eastra in Anglo-Saxon England, and eventually the Feast of the Resurrection becomes known as Easter. You can look this up if you choose to confirm. It has nothing to do with facing East.
The particular goddess only appears in Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum, which suggests he either misunderstood his sources or he was making things up.
Ostara appears throughout pagan Germany. Reference to Eastre in England may only appear in Bede.
Maybe (do any German sources predate Bede?) but it still scuppers the linguistic connection in English.
+1

For various reasons, the English tend to use divergent names for various feasts.  The Nativity becomes Christmas, St. Michael becomes Michaelmas, Pascha becomes Easter, and Pentecost becomes Whitsunday.

In Germany, Easter is not called Ostara.  Nor in Holland; Dutch is the second closest relative of English, after Frisian, and in that tongue, Pascha is called Passen.
 

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biro said:
It's from the word east, the direction in which we pray.
More likely because or hymnography throughout the world about Christ rising in the East like the Sun, trampling down death by death.  These words from the Byzantine liturgy are not universal, but the context is.
 

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andrewlya said:
Shalom, how can anyone explain to me why Paskha is also called so called "Easter" in English? Where does the word "Easter" originate from? If the word "Easter" is not found in the original Greek Bible, why do Christians refer to Pasha as "Easter"? If this topic is in thw wrong section, please move it to the relevant section, blessings
If it makes you feel any better, we Orthodox prefer to call it Pascha.
 

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Alpha60 said:
Arachne said:
Diego said:
Arachne said:
Diego said:
The word Easter comes from the German Goddess of New Life, Ostara. The Bunny is because bunnies reproduce, and are a German pagan symbol of renewal of life. The egg has similar connotations in German paganism. Ostara in Germany becomes Eastra in Anglo-Saxon England, and eventually the Feast of the Resurrection becomes known as Easter. You can look this up if you choose to confirm. It has nothing to do with facing East.
The particular goddess only appears in Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum, which suggests he either misunderstood his sources or he was making things up.
Ostara appears throughout pagan Germany. Reference to Eastre in England may only appear in Bede.
Maybe (do any German sources predate Bede?) but it still scuppers the linguistic connection in English.
+1

For various reasons, the English tend to use divergent names for various feasts.  The Nativity becomes Christmas, St. Michael becomes Michaelmas, Pascha becomes Easter, and Pentecost becomes Whitsunday.

In Germany, Easter is not called Ostara.  Nor in Holland; Dutch is the second closest relative of English, after Frisian, and in that tongue, Pascha is called Passen.
I don't speak German, but the dictionary lists Easter as Ostern. That would make German and English the only European languages that derive the word from the particular root. Romance and Nordic languages use the Pesach/Pascha root, while Slavic ones prefer 'veliko' (great day).
 

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Arachne said:
while Slavic ones prefer 'veliko' (great day).
It's funny as in Ukrainian, Bulgarian it's Velikden (the great day) but in Polish it's Wielkanoc (the great night) ;)

Btw, in Serbian it's Vaskrs/Uskrs that means Resurrection.
 

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WPM said:
andrewlya said:
Shalom, how can anyone explain to me why Paskha is also called so called "Easter" in English? Where does the word "Easter" originate from? If the word "Easter" is not found in the original Greek Bible, why do Christians refer to Pasha as "Easter"? If this topic is in thw wrong section, please move it to the relevant section, blessings
I think the original celebration Easter on the Universal Calendar was pagan until the birth of Christ.
Yes, Easter is a pagan name, so why don't Christians call it Pakha or Passover or Pesach which are the proper names for the celebration,rather than by its pagan name "Easter"?
 

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I find it interesting that the Orthodox don't use "Easter" out of fear of Paganization, even though the martyrologies still say that Mary Magdalene gave the Emperor Tiberius an Easter Egg saying "Christ has risen!"

I mean, maybe she did. But, my rationalism prevents me from not being skeptical.
 

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Iconodule said:
It’s because we English-speaking Christians worship Ishtar. This happened after our Sumerian forebears, fleeing Sasanian incursions, fled to Western Europe and eventually the British isles, settling there and renewing the worship of Ishtar under a clever Christian guise. Come to one of our temples next Easter and feel the power.
Shame that Christians use such a pagan name to worship on Paskha...
 

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Asteriktos said:
The Greek Bible wasn't the original since Jesus spoke in Aramaic. For English speakers the KJV is the authorized or official or orthodox version. And the KJV does use "easter" in Acts 12:4, thus showing that it is a proper term.
KJV is an English translation and is not the original language of the Bible, if anyone can show me at least one verse in Greek/Aramaic Bible the word Easter, I will agree.
 

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Diego said:
The word Easter comes from the German Goddess of New Life, Ostara. The Bunny is because bunnies reproduce, and are a German pagan symbol of renewal of life. The egg has similar connotations in German paganism. Ostara in Germany becomes Eastra in Anglo-Saxon England, and eventually the Feast of the Resurrection becomes known as Easter. You can look this up if you choose to confirm. It has nothing to do with facing East.
Yes, this is correct. What im trying to say is that Easter is a pagan name and we should not use it. We are not "Easter worshippers"..
 

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biro said:
Yes it does. The Resurrection will occur there, which is why we face there in the first place.

Anyway, the 'pun' only works in English. In pretty much every other language, Easter is referred to as Pascha, or a similar word, which means Passover.

Andrew is again pulling our collective leg. He knows this, as we've told him before, and is just trying to make space so he can spray his Arian nonsense.
I have never heard this explanation before, I always wonder where you get your information from? What ever you use for your sources of information, please stop :)
 

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Alpha60 said:
andrewlya said:
Shalom, how can anyone explain to me why Paskha is also called so called "Easter" in English? Where does the word "Easter" originate from? If the word "Easter" is not found in the original Greek Bible, why do Christians refer to Pasha as "Easter"? If this topic is in thw wrong section, please move it to the relevant section, blessings
If it makes you feel any better, we Orthodox prefer to call it Pascha.
Yes, we had better call it Paskha, we should stay away from pagan names like that.
 

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It's an informative read :)
"Easter is “Ostern” in German – which implies she must have been known outside England. Confusingly, the great 19th-century folklorist and philologist, Jacob Grimm, invented a German goddess called Ostara – “the divinity of the radiant dawn, upspringing light, a spectacle that brings joy and blessing” – on purely etymological grounds: the name is derived from a proto-Indo-European root meaning “to shine”. But Grimm didn’t present a shred of supporting evidence that such a deity had ever been worshipped in Germany, leaving us with just Bede to go on."

More here...https://www.independent.co.uk/news/easter-christianity-traditions-religion-spring-passover-history-a8878206.html
 

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Well, all my research tells me that the Germans & the English Anglo-Saxons use Ostern & Easter because of Ostara. And yes, the egg IS universal, but the Germans and the English Anglo-Saxons used it for its meaning in Germany.
 

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Diego said:
Well, all my research tells me that the Germans & the English Anglo-Saxons use Ostern & Easter because of Ostara. And yes, the egg IS universal, but the Germans and the English Anglo-Saxons used it for its meaning in Germany.
I find it hard to believe that it's just a coincidence that one Semitic individual started a completely, completely random practice of using eggs to proclaim the Ressurection of Christ, and it turns out that the Germanic peoples - the ancestors of the English, Dutch, and Germans - all for hundreds of years just happened to have the same exact practice for the same exact period of time, for a completely different, but very logical and not random reason, and that they happened to say "Oh hey, we have the same exact practice!" when the two finally crossed paths, rather than the practice blending over to Christian tradition during the cultural transition from hedonic Paganism to Christianity, and then that practice spreading to other parts of the Christian world because it was fun to paint eggs.

It's pretty obvious that Christians have had no problem taking Pagan traditions and making them Christian - and I have no problem with such a practice. See here, on Russian Burial Spirit Houses:
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/burial-spirit-houses

But I don't like hypocrisy, where it's okay if we did it back then, but it's not okay now, and I just want the Truth on these matters.

It's Easter. The meaning of Easter is the Resurrection of Christ. Nobody in Western Europe, except for maybe some angsty young people, worships procreation during Easter, they remember the Resurrection of Christ.

Nobody in Britain, Ireland, North America, or Oceania, worships Odin on Wednesday, Tyr on Tuesday, the Sun on Sunday, Thor on Thursday, Saturn on Saturday, Frigga on Friday, or the Moon on Monday.
 

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andrewlya said:
WPM said:
andrewlya said:
Shalom, how can anyone explain to me why Paskha is also called so called "Easter" in English? Where does the word "Easter" originate from? If the word "Easter" is not found in the original Greek Bible, why do Christians refer to Pasha as "Easter"? If this topic is in thw wrong section, please move it to the relevant section, blessings
I think the original celebration Easter on the Universal Calendar was pagan until the birth of Christ.
Yes, Easter is a pagan name, so why don't Christians call it Pakha or Passover or Pesach which are the proper names for the celebration,rather than by its pagan name "Easter"?
Obvious explanation is obvious, but there is no such thing as 'pagan Easter'. Easter did not exist until the Resurrection.

Passover/Pesach is the Jewish celebration, and not the Christian one. We do not confuse the two.

Why are you okay with Pesach being anglicised into Passover, but Pascha into Easter is a no-no?
 

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Arachne said:
andrewlya said:
WPM said:
andrewlya said:
Shalom, how can anyone explain to me why Paskha is also called so called "Easter" in English? Where does the word "Easter" originate from? If the word "Easter" is not found in the original Greek Bible, why do Christians refer to Pasha as "Easter"? If this topic is in thw wrong section, please move it to the relevant section, blessings
I think the original celebration Easter on the Universal Calendar was pagan until the birth of Christ.
Yes, Easter is a pagan name, so why don't Christians call it Pakha or Passover or Pesach which are the proper names for the celebration,rather than by its pagan name "Easter"?
Obvious explanation is obvious, but there is no such thing as 'pagan Easter'. Easter did not exist until the Resurrection.

Passover/Pesach is the Jewish celebration, and not the Christian one. We do not confuse the two.

Why are you okay with Pesach being anglicised into Passover, but Pascha into Easter is a no-no?
The celebration of the birth and resurrection of Christ are major holiday.
 

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andrewlya said:
Alpha60 said:
andrewlya said:
Shalom, how can anyone explain to me why Paskha is also called so called "Easter" in English? Where does the word "Easter" originate from? If the word "Easter" is not found in the original Greek Bible, why do Christians refer to Pasha as "Easter"? If this topic is in thw wrong section, please move it to the relevant section, blessings
If it makes you feel any better, we Orthodox prefer to call it Pascha.
Yes, we had better call it Paskha, we should stay away from pagan names like that.
Hey what's wrong with Pagan? . . .
 

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WPM said:
andrewlya said:
Alpha60 said:
andrewlya said:
Shalom, how can anyone explain to me why Paskha is also called so called "Easter" in English? Where does the word "Easter" originate from? If the word "Easter" is not found in the original Greek Bible, why do Christians refer to Pasha as "Easter"? If this topic is in thw wrong section, please move it to the relevant section, blessings
If it makes you feel any better, we Orthodox prefer to call it Pascha.
Yes, we had better call it Paskha, we should stay away from pagan names like that.
Hey what's wrong with Pagan? . . .
Mind yourself when treating with the gods, for they are fickle.  One day you are their mightiest champion, the next, mindless fodder fit only for the most debased of worship.  One day who are reaping a million souls to be sacrificed, the next, you yourself are being fed into the ravenous maws of the gods who are eternal in both their hunger and cruelty.
 

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Iconodule said:
It’s because we English-speaking Christians worship Ishtar. This happened after our Sumerian forebears, fleeing Sasanian incursions, fled to Western Europe and eventually the British isles, settling there and renewing the worship of Ishtar under a clever Christian guise. Come to one of our temples next Easter and feel the power.
The cultus of Ishtar was transferred to the Virgin Mary, hence we bake prosphora cakes to the Queen of Heaven, to secretly scorn the prophet Jeremiah 7:18. So many diabolical layers here. BWAHAHAHAHAH
 

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The use of "Christmas" instead of "Nativity" can be traced back to the concept of "Christ's Mass". The same can be said of "Michaelmas" (Michael's Mass). That is very simple.
 
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