Hmmm forgive me for sounding "shifty". If I look at the WR overall I have no problem with the rejuvenation of Western Christian Orthodoxy - as like S. John of Shanghai, I accept the validity of it. What I struggle with is the disingenuous position of those who try and pretend the Great Schism never happened, or those who think that by calling Anglican BCP Matins "Sarum" that it is OK even when BCP Matins is clearly a child of the Reformation.Sleeper said:Fortunately, Orthodoxy is not about what's "necessary." It's about the fullness of the Faith. The Western liturgical tradition and spiritual heritage are part of Holy Tradition and they rightfully belong to Orthodoxy.
SubdeaconDavid, forgive me, but you just appear so...shifty and fickle in regards to the Western Rite. One day you'll make posts about how you have no problem with it at all and want to see it thrive, and another day you'll say its "just not necessary." I don't understand it.
I struggle with the fact that you have WR groups with their own prayer books and a determination not to even let scholars in Western liturgy access them. I struggle with the fact that you have a tiny congregation of Western riters with a priest in an ecumenical meeting room my own city and my own 60 year old Russian Orthodox temple has no resident priest and we do not even celebrate feasts together. That simply saddens me.
I am NOT inimical to Western Christendom. I grew up an Anglican. I made my confession believing them valid as an Anglican. I made my communion, having fasted, said preparation prayers and believing tbem valid and the mass that I was attending valid. However the bottom line is I was wrong about the validity of western orders and western Christian history post 1054.
Western-rite not necessary? If you understand that we can worship in English, using the same rite as 99% of Orthodoxy, then NO it is not necessary. It is a liturgical relic - the DNA has been taken by WR clerics and people and brought back to life - of sorts, but it is not the same as the Orthodox experience of unbroken bishops and priests, unbroken community of believers worshipping and living the Orthodox rite of the 'East'.
Western culture has never been homogeneous. Rites based on Anglican worship have little cultural validity in Continental Europe, let alone in the East. The Russian Church in China baptised thousands and ordained many priests - native Chinese, who learned Slavonic, used Chinese as well in worship and for whom the rite was simply 'the Orthodox rite'.