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Ethiopian teenage girls receive prison sentence for distributing Christian books

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Four Ethiopian teenage girls who distributed books about Christianity have been sentenced to one-month imprisonment on Nov. 15 in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa for inciting religious violence.

The four girls, Eden, 15, Gift, 14, Mihiret, 14 and Deborah, 18, were initially arrested in September for the distribution of the book titled "Let's speak the truth in love: Answers to questions by Ahmed Deedat," which aims to answer the questions about Christianity posed by the late Deedat, a South African Islamic scholar...
 
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This was done to protect the Protestant Church there from attacks by enraged pious Muslims, so while you or I may disagree with their sentence, this action was taken to preserve the peace, and stabilit of that society, do we not pray for civil authorities in the liturgies? It looks like the civil authorties are doing their job. BTW leave to a evangelical online newspaper to bash the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, when it didn't do anything this time.
 

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seekeroftruth777 said:
This was done to protect the Protestant Church there from attacks by enraged pious Muslims, so while you or I may disagree with their sentence, this action was taken to preserve the peace, and stabilit of that society, do we not pray for civil authorities in the liturgies? It looks like the civil authorties are doing their job. BTW leave to a evangelical online newspaper to bash the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, when it didn't do anything this time.
Umm.....wow. 
 

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seekeroftruth777 said:
BTW leave to a evangelical online newspaper to bash the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, when it didn't do anything this time.
Of course they will.  Undermining the only true Church of Ethiopia - not Islam - is the primary goal of satanic Evangelical and Charismatic sects operating in Ethiopia and their American and European backers.  May God bring their vile machinations to naught and bring these girls to His truth.  If they left the Orthodox Church for non-Christian cults like the MKC and the FGC, earthly prison is the least of their worries.
 

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Antonious Nikolas said:
Of course they will.  Undermining the only true Church of Ethiopia - not Islam - is the primary goal of satanic Evangelical and Charismatic sects operating in Ethiopia and their American and European backers.  May God bring their vile machinations to naught and bring these girls to His truth.  If they left the Orthodox Church for non-Christian cults like the MKC and the FGC, earthly prison is the least of their worries.
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.

Unless that was sarcastic.
 

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Antonious Nikolas said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
BTW leave to a evangelical online newspaper to bash the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, when it didn't do anything this time.
Of course they will.  Undermining the only true Church of Ethiopia - not Islam - is the primary goal of satanic Evangelical and Charismatic sects operating in Ethiopia and their American and European backers.  May God bring their vile machinations to naught and bring these girls to His truth.  If they left the Orthodox Church for non-Christian cults like the MKC and the FGC, earthly prison is the least of their worries.
Here, here.  There can be no doubt that all of the Orthodox churches are under siege, from Islam on the one hand and from hostile Protestant extremists on the other.  9Marks, the hardline Calvinist website, ran an article characterizing all the Orthodox in the Middle East as "sexually promiscuous pornography viewing drunks."  The prevailing evangelical / hardline Protestant view about the Oriental Orthodox (and also the Assyrians) can be found in the book Creeds of Christendom, and is quite offensive.
 

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Antonious Nikolas said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
BTW leave to a evangelical online newspaper to bash the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, when it didn't do anything this time.
Of course they will.  Undermining the only true Church of Ethiopia - not Islam - is the primary goal of satanic Evangelical and Charismatic sects operating in Ethiopia and their American and European backers.  May God bring their vile machinations to naught and bring these girls to His truth.  If they left the Orthodox Church for non-Christian cults like the MKC and the FGC, earthly prison is the least of their worries.
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
 

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rakovsky said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
BTW leave to a evangelical online newspaper to bash the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, when it didn't do anything this time.
Of course they will.  Undermining the only true Church of Ethiopia - not Islam - is the primary goal of satanic Evangelical and Charismatic sects operating in Ethiopia and their American and European backers.  May God bring their vile machinations to naught and bring these girls to His truth.  If they left the Orthodox Church for non-Christian cults like the MKC and the FGC, earthly prison is the least of their worries.
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
You know how Protestants attack the Eastern Orthodox in Russia, Greece and elsewhere?  That way.
 

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wgw said:
You know how Protestants attack the Eastern Orthodox in Russia, Greece and elsewhere?  That way.
Do you know more about this story than is in the news article? Have you read the news article?
 

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JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
This was done to protect the Protestant Church there from attacks by enraged pious Muslims, so while you or I may disagree with their sentence, this action was taken to preserve the peace, and stabilit of that society, do we not pray for civil authorities in the liturgies? It looks like the civil authorties are doing their job. BTW leave to a evangelical online newspaper to bash the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, when it didn't do anything this time.
Umm.....wow.
You shouldn't be surprised. seeker seems to never have believed in human rights. We can easily question then whether he or she thinks natural law is some sort of social construction given how deferential they are to authority. I eagerly await some sort of theodicy argument to justify his or her position. I wonder how that will work out when Joseph Stalin 2.0 rolls up onto the Russian throne and quashes the Russian Orthodox Church again in the name of peace and order.
 

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mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
 

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Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
 

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Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
You are excusing putting 14-year-old  kids in jail  for books. I do not know enough English words to describe you but if I had, I would  get muted.
 

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Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's strawman nonsense against Christianity duped Protestants who didn't know a thing about Islam or the Scriptures, and Muslims continue to use his crappy argumentation to "attack" Christianity. Too bad most Christians aren't literate enough to combat his fallacious reasoning, and now that we have some people who do... this happens.

Sigh.

Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Hm? Are you saying Jesus won't judge deluded and arrogant people for disrupting his flock and deceiving people? I wouldn't defend putting kids in jail, in any case let alone in this one, but the idea that Jesus likes people committing schism and division is not taught by the Bible, Fathers or the Church.
 

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xOrthodox4Christx said:
but the idea that Jesus likes people committing schism and division is not taught by the Bible, Fathers or the Church.
I thought the Church teaches Jesus loves everyone. so whom does Jesus hate accordingly to you?
 

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Rohzek said:
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals.
There's loads to criticize the Orthodox Church for when it comes to preparing its people for interacting with the devil's surrogates.  That doesn't change the fact that Protestant missions trying to seduce the flock of Christ in Ethiopia are leading people into the pit of hell.

Rohzek said:
Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls.
It's both of their problems if the girls left the Orthodox Church for Protestantism.  One cannot leave Orthodoxy and find salvation in an Evangelical pseudo-church.  More probably they are the children of parents who were seduced by the devil's missionaries and are innocent, being born into their errors.  Either way, may God bring them back to the Christian religion of their forebears.

Rohzek said:
Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.
I been good, little man.  Learn to read.  I never defended imprisoning the girls at all.  Take that up with Seeker.  I merely decried the disgraceful, disgusting tragedy of satanic heterodox organizations doing their master's work and targeting the flock of Christ in Ethiopia, including the scrub website that took an unnecessary shot at the Church of Ethiopia in their lame article.

Rohzek said:
I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Stop assigning straw man arguments to me.  I don't expect much in the reading comprehension department from someone who quotes Final Fantasy (lol) as if it was deep or something, but a little of the basics would be nice.  Again, I never defended jailing the girls for their pamphleteering or anything else.  Save your attempted jeers on that score for Seeker or go back to playing your lame video games.  If the Lord came back and found the wolves of Satan preaching to His flock, I don't think He'd rough them up or slap them in the pokey, but He certainly wouldn't embrace them and pretend that they were a part of His flock and it's all good either.

mike said:
You are excusing putting 14-year-old  kids in jail  for books.
No, I'm not.  Re-read the post.  Stop conflating what I wrote with what Seeker wrote.

mike said:
I do not know enough English words to describe you
Or to understand what I wrote, apparently.

mike said:
but if I had, I would  get muted.
Maybe you should mute yourself, unless you've got room for your other foot in that gaping maw of yours.

You are falling into the trap laid by the authors of that smear job on that Evangelical hack site.  These sites regularly smear the Ethiopian Church and try to make the heinous missions they sponsor in the country out to be martyrs.  First of all, I wouldn't be surprised if this story turned out to be exaggerated or even totally false.  All reports of it seem to be on Evangelical sites, none of which are trustworthy.  It wouldn't be the first time they fabricated something to make themselves look good and the Orthodox Church look bad.  Secondly, allowing that it may be true, why throw the gratuitous smear on the Church in there when the Church had nothing to do with it?  The Church is not the Muslims who the girls were targeting or who supposedly were a threat to their ecclesial community.  The Church is not the police.  So why slam the Church?  Because that is and always has been the target of the P'ent'ays, the wolves of Satan.  Those of us who have followed the machinations of the Protestant proselytizers in Ethiopia for decades know their programme.  They set stunts up like this all the time to make themselves look like the oppressed flock of Christ working to liberate the people of Ethiopia from a benighted, superstitious, and idolatrous wannabe Catholic Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church.  The Protestant pseudo-missions in Ethiopia are not saintly in the slightest.  They are aggressive, and any soul they lead out of the Christian Church and into their sects is being placed in danger of hell.
 
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Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
 
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mike said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
You are excusing putting 14-year-old  kids in jail  for books. I do not know enough English words to describe you but if I had, I would  get muted.
Hey A.N. said no such thing, me and him don't have a great history on OC.NET, but I'll stick my neck out for him this time, and say A.N. never said lock up 14 year old girls. Look you, or I,  or the person who quotes Final Fantasy (as it if meaningful) all may find it horrible that these girls are locked up, yet however have you ever thought for one second, what the enraged Muslim's would do?, do you? and to top it off, if nothing was done these heretical Evangelicals would have a article saying "The Ethiopian Government and Ethiopian Orthodox Church didn't protect the Protestants from Muslim mobs, people died" it damned if you do, and damned if you don't in this situation. BTW don't we pray for civil authorities in the liturgies?  Who knows if our prayers in the liturgy have been answered with this action by the civil authorities in Ethiopia? You wanna answer Mike? Look locking up these girls was a tad bit extreme, yet it could of saved their lives from crazed Muslim fanatics. Do you think of that Mike? Final Fantasy qouter?
 

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mike said:
xOrthodox4Christx said:
but the idea that Jesus likes people committing schism and division is not taught by the Bible, Fathers or the Church.
I thought the Church teaches Jesus loves everyone. so whom does Jesus hate accordingly to you?
How about addressing the argument she actually posited instead of erecting yet another straw man, mike?  She never said Our Lord Jesus hates anyone.  She said He is not a great fan of schism and division within His Church, or people poaching sheep from His flock and leading them into error.  And who said loving everyone means embracing their errors or pretending that the efforts of the heterodox to divide the flock of Christ are in accordance with His will?

You're allowing yourself to be duped, big time.  These shrewd, disingenuous P'ent'ay organizations know how to work the PR angle: DATELINE, ETHIOPIA - Innocent Young Christian Angels Oppressed by Pharisaical Idolatrous Orthodox Church - and you're eating it up with a spoon.
 

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seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off. As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
 
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Rohzek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off. As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
#1- These are not quote "Christians" they are sects, they hold heretical dogmas, and theology, so I don't see where you would be protecting Christians, in your fantasy scenario.

#2 - words mean something, they convey a image to the rest of the world of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, that is distorted, why paint the Ethiopian Church in a negative light, if the story is about teenage girls, and Islam? It called propaganda.

#3 - Your mad about Teenage girls being locked up, yet would be happy with the Ethiopians mowing down a bunch of Muslims, which would just cause Muslims from around the world to flock to Ethiopia to fight "Jihad" , you want another Syria, Somalia, or Iraq mess? Yet this time in a Christian nation
 

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Rohzek said:
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off.
You're just showing your ignorance here.  It's not "just words" and this isn't an isolated incident.  It's part of a concerted effort to undermine the Church and seduce people into heretical sects that has been ongoing since the 1970s.

Rohzek said:
As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
Again, your naïveté is on full display.  I don't intend to fully engage on this aspect of the discussion - as the actions of the state and those of the Muslims were never my concern in this discussion, merely those of the pseudo-Christian sects - but you obviously have no clue when it comes to the dynamics of ethnic and religious fragmentation and interaction in Ethiopia.
 

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seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off. As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
#1- These are not quote "Christians" they are sects, they hold heretical dogmas, and theology, so I don't see where you would be protecting Christians, in your fantasy scenario.

#2 - words mean something, they convey a image to the rest of the world of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, that is distorted, why paint the Ethiopian Church in a negative light, if the story is about teenage girls, and Islam? It called propaganda.

#3 - Your mad about Teenage girls being locked up, yet would be happy with the Ethiopians mowing down a bunch of Muslims, which would just cause Muslims from around the world to flock to Ethiopia to fight "Jihad" , you want another Syria, Somalia, or Iraq mess? Yet this time in a Christian nation
1.) It doesn't matter what they are. They should be able to speak their mind.

2.) Okay, well get your story out their then.

3.) I'm not sure why you're puzzled. One group just wants to say something. The other group wants to murder and pillage. Which one do you think deserves punishment? It's a very simple choice.
 

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Antoninus, you didn't really demarcate yourself from seeker's position, so I'm not sure why you are so upset at the misunderstanding. You originally said that prison is the least of their problems as though that were okay and that they are practically Satanists roughly speaking.
 

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Rohzek said:
Antoninus, you didn't really demarcate yourself from seeker's position, so I'm not sure why you are so upset at the misunderstanding. You originally said that prison is the least of their problems as though that were okay...
Your misunderstanding of what you've read aside, I never advocated for Seeker's position, and there was no special burden on me to stridently denounce it or disassociate myself from it before posting.  I never said or implied that I was cool with sending these girls to prison.  Rather, I said that prison is the least of their problems if they left the Orthodox Church for a Protestant sect and this is absolutely true.  One who leaves the Orthodox Church for a heterodox ecclesial community is in danger of eternal damnation unless they repent and return to the Church.  As St. Theophan the Recluse says:

You ask, will the heterodox be saved... Why do you worry about them? They have a Saviour Who desires the salvation of every human being. He will take care of them. You and I should not be burdened with such a concern. Study yourself and your own sins... I will tell you one thing, however: should you, being Orthodox and possessing the Truth in its fullness, betray Orthodoxy, and enter a different faith, you will lose your soul forever.
Amen and amen.

I know Ethiopians who have said - regarding family members who have left the Church for P'ent'ay cults - "At least she found Jesus there."  No, she did not.  Whatever the unholy thing that induced her to leave the Church was, it was not Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Rohzek said:
...and that they are practically Satanists roughly speaking.
Yup.  No apology.  Anyone actively working to lead Orthodox Christians out of the Church and into Protestantism is doing the work of Satan, intentionally or as a misguided dupe.
 

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Rohzek said:
I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
He'll probably throw them into prison if they don't repent, but not the one with bars and locks.
 

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wgw said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
BTW leave to a evangelical online newspaper to bash the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, when it didn't do anything this time.
Of course they will.  Undermining the only true Church of Ethiopia - not Islam - is the primary goal of satanic Evangelical and Charismatic sects operating in Ethiopia and their American and European backers.  May God bring their vile machinations to naught and bring these girls to His truth.  If they left the Orthodox Church for non-Christian cults like the MKC and the FGC, earthly prison is the least of their worries.
Here, here.  There can be no doubt that all of the Orthodox churches are under siege, from Islam on the one hand and from hostile Protestant extremists on the other.  9Marks, the hardline Calvinist website, ran an article characterizing all the Orthodox in the Middle East as "sexually promiscuous pornography viewing drunks."  The prevailing evangelical / hardline Protestant view about the Oriental Orthodox (and also the Assyrians) can be found in the book Creeds of Christendom, and is quite offensive.
The prevailing evangelical/hardline Protestant view about the Oriental Orthodox (and also the Assyrians) is summed up in one word: Who?
 

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seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off. As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
#1- These are not quote "Christians" they are sects, they hold heretical dogmas, and theology, so I don't see where you would be protecting Christians, in your fantasy scenario.
You say you're GOARCH.  You are aware that the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church are not in communion, right?
 

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I'm not too convinced of facts on the Internet ... Could be something produced in fake news.
 
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JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off. As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
#1- These are not quote "Christians" they are sects, they hold heretical dogmas, and theology, so I don't see where you would be protecting Christians, in your fantasy scenario.
You say you're GOARCH.  You are aware that the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church are not in communion, right?
No, but the Oriental Orthodox are a lot closer to our Orthodox Christian faith, and traditions than Evangelicalism ever could be.
 

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mike said:
http://www.christiantimes.com/article/ethiopian-teenage-girls-receive-prison-sentence-for-distributing-christian-book/66445.htm said:
Four Ethiopian teenage girls who distributed books about Christianity have been sentenced to one-month imprisonment on Nov. 15 in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa for inciting religious violence.

The four girls, Eden, 15, Gift, 14, Mihiret, 14 and Deborah, 18, were initially arrested in September for the distribution of the book titled "Let's speak the truth in love: Answers to questions by Ahmed Deedat," which aims to answer the questions about Christianity posed by the late Deedat, a South African Islamic scholar...
I am curious what is the most controversial or offensive thing in the book. I found one writing by the author



https://archive.org/stream/Shk_Ahmed_Deedats_Books/The_Choice_Part_1_djvu.txt
 

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seekeroftruth777 said:
JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off. As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
#1- These are not quote "Christians" they are sects, they hold heretical dogmas, and theology, so I don't see where you would be protecting Christians, in your fantasy scenario.
You say you're GOARCH.  You are aware that the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church are not in communion, right?
No, but the Oriental Orthodox are a lot closer to our Orthodox Christian faith, and traditions than Evangelicalism ever could be.
And yet, from the stand point of your church, they are sects.  And a great many in your church think they hold heretical dogmas and theology (such as a large number of those on Mt. Athos).
 
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JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off. As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
#1- These are not quote "Christians" they are sects, they hold heretical dogmas, and theology, so I don't see where you would be protecting Christians, in your fantasy scenario.
You say you're GOARCH.  You are aware that the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church are not in communion, right?
No, but the Oriental Orthodox are a lot closer to our Orthodox Christian faith, and traditions than Evangelicalism ever could be.
And yet, from the stand point of your church, they are sects.  And a great many in your church think they hold heretical dogmas and theology (such as a large number of those on Mt. Athos).
Among Old Calendarists, and hardliners on Mount Athos, that a possibility. But most Orthodox priests and laity I talk to, don't oppose any talks with the O.O.'S as much as they oppose any talks with Protestants and Catholics. For example the Copts are very close to us, while the transgender Episcopalians with liturgical mishaps, not so much.
 

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JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off. As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
#1- These are not quote "Christians" they are sects, they hold heretical dogmas, and theology, so I don't see where you would be protecting Christians, in your fantasy scenario.
You say you're GOARCH.  You are aware that the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church are not in communion, right?
No, but the Oriental Orthodox are a lot closer to our Orthodox Christian faith, and traditions than Evangelicalism ever could be.
And yet, from the stand point of your church, they are sects.  And a great many in your church think they hold heretical dogmas and theology (such as a large number of those on Mt. Athos).










 
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Mor Ephrem said:
JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off. As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
#1- These are not quote "Christians" they are sects, they hold heretical dogmas, and theology, so I don't see where you would be protecting Christians, in your fantasy scenario.
You say you're GOARCH.  You are aware that the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church are not in communion, right?
No, but the Oriental Orthodox are a lot closer to our Orthodox Christian faith, and traditions than Evangelicalism ever could be.
And yet, from the stand point of your church, they are sects.  And a great many in your church think they hold heretical dogmas and theology (such as a large number of those on Mt. Athos).










That is disgusting, I'm being lectured to by one of these folks  :mad:
 

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James, when you get a chance I would love to continue our discussion on the Articles of Religion on whether the Eucharistic bread actually is or contains Jesus' body.
 

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James, when you get a chance I would love to continue our discussion on the Articles of Religion on whether the Eucharistic bread actually is or contains Jesus' body.
I will, I keep meaning to.  But I want to wait until I have time to craft a truly thoughtful response.
 

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seekeroftruth777 said:
JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
JamesRottnek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
seekeroftruth777 said:
Rohzek said:
Antonious Nikolas said:
mike said:
And that came after I had started to think you are one of the few posters of your religion whose posts I can read without gagging.
Most of what you post - most especially your photographic contributions to the "What Does Everyone Look Like" thread - is nausea inducing.  You don't hear me crying about it.

mike said:
Unless that was sarcastic.
I'll let you figure that out, bright boy.

rakovsky said:
Can you say a bit how the teenagers were undermining the Ethiopian church?
I didn't say the teenagers were personally undermining the Church in this particular instance.  I said the sect they belong to, similar organizations, and the website posting the news (which notably took a gratuitous potshot at the EOTC) were.  Orthodox Christians are usually their primary targets, not Muslims.  Protestant sects seeking to convert Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia and elsewhere and spread their own vile beliefs - as these sects are - are doing Satan's work, inadvertently or not.
Maybe if the Orthodox priests and parents weren't so terrible at their job then the children they helped raise wouldn't be seduced by Evangelicals. Sounds like their problem, not the problem of the girls. Get gud son. Imprisoning people for speaking their mind is a laughable thing to do.

I can see it now though. Jesus comes back. Sees some Protestants preaching to his Orthodox flock. He immediately reaches for a nightstick whacks them over the head, cuffs them, and throws 'em in jail. Very Jesus. Much holy. Your image of the Lord is awe inspiring.
Would you rather the enraged Muslims kill these girls? BTW if this story had nothing to do with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then why did the article take a cheap shot at it? No agenda, right?
Who cares what sort of cheap shot the article takes at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? It's just words. Shrug it off. As for what the Muslims who were so upset, here's what should happen. The central government sends in the police or military to protect the Christians who are only speaking their mind. If a Muslim still wants to rage hardcore to the point of burning down churches or killing people, then either arrest the violent Muslims or mow them down.
#1- These are not quote "Christians" they are sects, they hold heretical dogmas, and theology, so I don't see where you would be protecting Christians, in your fantasy scenario.
You say you're GOARCH.  You are aware that the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church are not in communion, right?
No, but the Oriental Orthodox are a lot closer to our Orthodox Christian faith, and traditions than Evangelicalism ever could be.
And yet, from the stand point of your church, they are sects.  And a great many in your church think they hold heretical dogmas and theology (such as a large number of those on Mt. Athos).
Among Old Calendarists, and hardliners on Mount Athos, that a possibility. But most Orthodox priests and laity I talk to, don't oppose any talks with the O.O.'S as much as they oppose any talks with Protestants and Catholics. For example the Copts are very close to us, while the transgender Episcopalians with liturgical mishaps, not so much.
Are you primarily talking to Orthodox in the US?  Because if so, I'd agree.  Most of them seem to support reunion between the EO and OO.  But, I'm not so certain that holds elsewhere.

And as to the Episcopalians being whatever you and Mor think they are, what relevance does that have to anything?  The fact remains that your church and Mor's are not in communion with one another. 
 
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