- May 22, 2011
- Reaction score
- Evangelical by default
- Spiritually homeless
Or, "In which Volnutt proves himself a massive hypocrite." lolVolnutt said:Agreed. I think the only real difference with traditional Protestant soteriology on that score is quibbling over what constitutes faith and what constitutes works- a debate I quit caring about a while ago.Alveus Lacuna said:Orthodox believe that baptism justifies the believer and imputes righteousness; washes away all sin.
So, in another thread we find this quote from Pope Leo I (emphasis mine):
So, does this leave open the door for someone to "game the system?" Say, for example, somebody who is glutinous or sexually immoral and gleefully thumbs his nose at God in those areas, but is very moved by the plight of the poor and does all kinds of works of charity? Or how about somebody who strives for the poor but has absolutely no faith in God whatsoever, or who maybe is actually an atheist (sometimes I feel like some very liberal Christians edge into this when they say things like "loving God is loving your neighbor, with no remainder")?Asteriktos said:We have learned from divine precepts, dearly beloved, as well from things laid down by the apostles, that every human being situated along the hazards of this life must seek the mercy of God by being merciful. What hope would lift up the fallen, what medicine heal the wounded, if almsgiving did not remit faults, and needs of the poor did not become remedies of sin? So by saying "Blessed are the merciful, for God will have mercy on them," (Matt. 5:7) the Lord made it clear that the entire scale on which he is going to judge the whole world when he appears in his majesty would be tilted while hanging from the following balance: Only the quality of good works directed toward the destitute would determine the sentence (for the ungodly to burn with the devil, for the generous to reign with Christ).
What deeds will not be brought out at that time? What hidden things will not be disclosed? What consciences will not lie open? No one then "will glory in having a pure heart or in being unstained by sin." (Prov. 20:9) But since "mercy will be exalted over condemnation" (James 2:13) and the gifts of clemency will surpass any just compensation, all the lives led by mortals and all different kinds of actions will be appraised under the aspect of a single rule. No charges at all would be brought up where, in the acknowledgment of the Creator, works of compassion have been found. As for those on the left, this is not the only thing they have done that will be brought against them. No, the fact that it will be shown that they have been strangers to human feeling does not mean that they will be found alien to other sins. Rather, though standing accused on many grounds, they will be condemned primarily on this count, that they have not redeemed their crimes with any alms. (Dan. 4:24) Since only the hardest heart would fail to be moved by any misery at all among those in distress, and since someone who has the means but does not help the afflicted must be considered as unjust as the one who crushes the weak, what hope remains for sinners who do not even show mercy for the sake of obtaining it themselves?
-- St. Leo of Rome (d. 461), Sermon 11
How does this match up with Paul's admonition that giving your body to be burned matters not if you have not love?