Given the Ethnarch of the Phanar's uncanonical acts in the exarchate, why would anyone doubt them?StanislavU said:Again, Met. Jean trying to lead part of the former Exarchate into the MP somehow doesn't make anyone doubt their prayers reach God.Hawkeye said:Schism is not simply an administrative issue. The Goldenmouth thought it no less an evil than heresy.
Even assuming your reading of the relevant canons is correct (and there is no reason to do that), the idea that you can leave your jurisdiction (and try to drag people and buildings with you" the minute someone makes one step outside canons is a solid idea with much promise. Anyone seriously thinks it can't be used against the Caeserodule of Moscow, hmmm?ialmisry said:Given the Ethnarch of the Phanar's uncanonical acts in the exarchate, why would anyone doubt them?StanislavU said:Again, Met. Jean trying to lead part of the former Exarchate into the MP somehow doesn't make anyone doubt their prayers reach God.Hawkeye said:Schism is not simply an administrative issue. The Goldenmouth thought it no less an evil than heresy.
This series of posts has just now come to my attention. Please use proper titles for all of our hierarchs, and do not use or fabricate terms to be pointed or worse, to be derisive. This is a creeping trend that we need to stop. The whole situation is difficult and opinions are strong, but that cannot drive us to be disrespectful of these positions and the men in them. This should be observed throughout the site. Refer to the RULES, and if there are further questions or comments, feel free to direct them to any of the mods.StanislavU said:Even assuming your reading of the relevant canons is correct (and there is no reason to do that), the idea that you can leave your jurisdiction (and try to drag people and buildings with you" the minute someone makes one step outside canons is a solid idea with much promise. Anyone seriously thinks it can't be used against the Caeserodule of Moscow, hmmm?ialmisry said:Given the Ethnarch of the Phanar's uncanonical acts in the exarchate, why would anyone doubt them?StanislavU said:Again, Met. Jean trying to lead part of the former Exarchate into the MP somehow doesn't make anyone doubt their prayers reach God.Hawkeye said:Schism is not simply an administrative issue. The Goldenmouth thought it no less an evil than heresy.
It is being used against the Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine, the real one, that is, Metropolian Onufriy, by Petrochenko's puppets.StanislavU said:Even assuming your reading of the relevant canons is correct (and there is no reason to do that), the idea that you can leave your jurisdiction (and try to drag people and buildings with you" the minute someone makes one step outside canons is a solid idea with much promise. Anyone seriously thinks it can't be used against the Caeserodule of Moscow, hmmm?ialmisry said:Given the Ethnarch of the Phanar's uncanonical acts in the exarchate, why would anyone doubt them?StanislavU said:Again, Met. Jean trying to lead part of the former Exarchate into the MP somehow doesn't make anyone doubt their prayers reach God.Hawkeye said:Schism is not simply an administrative issue. The Goldenmouth thought it no less an evil than heresy.
Honest question: why are you not under Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk?StanislavU said:Even assuming your reading of the relevant canons is correct (and there is no reason to do that), the idea that you can leave your jurisdiction (and try to drag people and buildings with you" the minute someone makes one step outside canons is a solid idea with much promise. Anyone seriously thinks it can't be used against the Caeserodule of Moscow, hmmm?ialmisry said:Given the Ethnarch of the Phanar's uncanonical acts in the exarchate, why would anyone doubt them?StanislavU said:Again, Met. Jean trying to lead part of the former Exarchate into the MP somehow doesn't make anyone doubt their prayers reach God.Hawkeye said:Schism is not simply an administrative issue. The Goldenmouth thought it no less an evil than heresy.
Honest question: do you really not see how inappropriate this question is? Being an excited convert trying to be more Russian than Patr. Kirill does not entitle you to question others' faith nor Orthodoxy, brother.Katechon said:Honest question: why are you not under Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk?
That would Archbishop Sviatoslav.Katechon said:Honest question: why are you not under Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk?StanislavU said:Even assuming your reading of the relevant canons is correct (and there is no reason to do that), the idea that you can leave your jurisdiction (and try to drag people and buildings with you" the minute someone makes one step outside canons is a solid idea with much promise. Anyone seriously thinks it can't be used against the Caeserodule of Moscow, hmmm?ialmisry said:Given the Ethnarch of the Phanar's uncanonical acts in the exarchate, why would anyone doubt them?StanislavU said:Again, Met. Jean trying to lead part of the former Exarchate into the MP somehow doesn't make anyone doubt their prayers reach God.Hawkeye said:Schism is not simply an administrative issue. The Goldenmouth thought it no less an evil than heresy.
You neither know my motives nor are you able to judge them, this is an absolute effeminate boomer tell.StanislavU said:Honest question: do you really not see how inappropriate this question is? Being an excited convert trying to be more Russian than Patr. Kirill does not entitle you to question others' faith nor Orthodoxy, brother.Katechon said:Honest question: why are you not under Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk?
It seems sometimes that some Holy Russia culture warriors successfully liberated themselves fron "chimaera of consciousness" for the higher cause. You still need to be decent human beings, guys.
Katechon said:this is an absolute effeminate boomer tell.
https://www.goarch.org/-/2020-03-09-vicariate-of-slavic-churchesNew York - On Monday, March 9, 2020, following approval of the Mother Church of Constantinople last November after the request of the Holy Eparchial Synod, His Eminence Archbishop Elpidophoros, Primate of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America and Exarch of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, announced the creation of the Vicariate for the Orthodox Christian Communities of Slavic Tradition.
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Archbishop Elpidophoros has appointed Very Rev. Archimandrite Alexander Belya as the first Vicar of the Vicariate.
https://www.eadiocese.org/news_200224_2To ratify the resolution of the Spiritual Court of the Eastern American Diocese regarding the laicization of the former Archimandrite Alexander (Belya), in accordance with the determination of his ruling bishop.
Not sure they released a hieromonk while under suspension before a canonical trial. Instead ROCOR laicized him.SolEX01 said:Looks like ROCOR "might have" released the churches and their clergy to GOARCH based on a creation of a vicarate unless the vicarate was uncanonically created.
So, the EP dismantles the exarchate for Russian tradition in Europe only to create a vicarate for Slavic tradition in the United States.
https://www.goarch.org/-/2020-03-09-vicariate-of-slavic-churchesNew York - On Monday, March 9, 2020, following approval of the Mother Church of Constantinople last November after the request of the Holy Eparchial Synod, His Eminence Archbishop Elpidophoros, Primate of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America and Exarch of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, announced the creation of the Vicariate for the Orthodox Christian Communities of Slavic Tradition.
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Archbishop Elpidophoros has appointed Very Rev. Archimandrite Alexander Belya as the first Vicar of the Vicariate.
ROCOR laicized Fr. Alexander, making him another layman who's been "rehabilitated" by the EP.
https://www.eadiocese.org/news_200224_2To ratify the resolution of the Spiritual Court of the Eastern American Diocese regarding the laicization of the former Archimandrite Alexander (Belya), in accordance with the determination of his ruling bishop.
That may become necessary.ICXCNIKA said:Maybe the Slavic Churches need to create Greek Vicariates?
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A prolonged, progressive, mixed reaction.hecma925 said:What does that even mean?
A Ukrainian ladle to Phanariot slop.StanislavU said:There are differing accounts of this on the Web, and neither side looks good. At least, it looks like Belya brothers did essentially build a thriving community, and there did not seem to be sufficient grounds for the Bishop to mess with it. Anyhoo, we do not know enough to really tell what's going on.
Different question: seeing how MP just accepted clerics of the former Rue Daru Exarchate, what exactly are their objections *IF* EP *did* accept these guys (to be clear: I seriously doubt they did)? Pot, meet kettle.
there is every reason to do that.StanislavU said:Even assuming your reading of the relevant canons is correct (and there is no reason to do that),ialmisry said:Given the Ethnarch of the Phanar's uncanonical acts in the exarchate, why would anyone doubt them?StanislavU said:Again, Met. Jean trying to lead part of the former Exarchate into the MP somehow doesn't make anyone doubt their prayers reach God.Hawkeye said:Schism is not simply an administrative issue. The Goldenmouth thought it no less an evil than heresy.
Not applicable here. Rue Daru didn't leave its jurisdiction. It was uncanonically abolished.StanislavU said:the idea that you can leave your jurisdiction (and try to drag people and buildings with you" the minute someone makes one step outside canons is a solid idea with much promise.
You mean the champion of Orthodoxy? Not canonically. But then that didn't stop the Caeserodule of Kiev-whose Caesar lost the election-nor the Caeserodule of the Phanar-whose Islamist Caesar hides behind an alien secular nationalism, and whose master Caesar in DC is equally hostile to Orthodoxy-to do as they pleased, leaving behind a putrid pile of rotten fruit.StanislavU said:Anyone seriously thinks it can't be used against the Caeserodule of Moscow, hmmm?
Perhaps take the Old Calendarists under their wing.ICXCNIKA said:https://orthochristian.com/129182.html?fbclid=IwAR2BgDc-D3lQWjCGEjTzYwX7nUZ7PWmiB4mzH01R8j25P4WlKXj44SE-9Pk
GREEK ARCHDIOCESE CREATES SLAVIC VICARIATE WITH MULTIPLE DEFROCKED AND SUSPENDED CLERICS
Maybe the Slavic Churches need to create Greek Vicariates?
isalmisry, take it down a notch or two; you're getting into both politics and polemics. If you feel the subject requires such a response and that's the direction you want to take it, just start a thread in Politics.ialmisry said:there is every reason to do that.StanislavU said:Even assuming your reading of the relevant canons is correct (and there is no reason to do that),ialmisry said:Given the Ethnarch of the Phanar's uncanonical acts in the exarchate, why would anyone doubt them?StanislavU said:Again, Met. Jean trying to lead part of the former Exarchate into the MP somehow doesn't make anyone doubt their prayers reach God.Hawkeye said:Schism is not simply an administrative issue. The Goldenmouth thought it no less an evil than heresy.
Not applicable here. Rue Daru didn't leave its jurisdiction. It was uncanonically abolished.StanislavU said:the idea that you can leave your jurisdiction (and try to drag people and buildings with you" the minute someone makes one step outside canons is a solid idea with much promise.
You mean the champion of Orthodoxy? Not canonically. But then that didn't stop the Caeserodule of Kiev-whose Caesar lost the election-nor the Caeserodule of the Phanar-whose Islamist Caesar hides behind an alien secular nationalism, and whose master Caesar in DC is equally hostile to Orthodoxy-to do as they pleased, leaving behind a putrid pile of rotten fruit.StanislavU said:Anyone seriously thinks it can't be used against the Caeserodule of Moscow, hmmm?
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