Fr Josiah Trenham in Tbilisi: Homofascists not Welcome

[Iconodule]

The inimitable Fr Josiah is bravely standing up to the Homofascists and their bathroom intrusions at the World Council of Families in Tbilisi: http://frjohnpeck.com/homofascists-not-welcome/

 

[Mor Ephrem]

"Allahu akbar!"

 

[Porter ODoran]

"Homofascists" -- does that mean "fascists like us"?

 

[seekeroftruth777]

I don't get the problem, I may not agree with the tone, however doesn't  the Orthodox Church oppose the Sin of homosexuality?

 

[Porter ODoran]

Does "oppose the sin" translate to "open season" in some languages then?

 

[seekeroftruth777]

Does "oppose the sin" translate to "open season" in some languages then?

Who calling for open season? Of course violence would be wrong

 

[Porter ODoran]

I am pointing out that "the Orthodox Church opposes this sin" can't serve as a justification for anything one wants to say or do in regard to homosexuals. Because, for one thing, that's not a logical argument.

 

[Svartzorn]

Another gay thread? Come on, people.

 

[Porter ODoran]

Another gay thread? Come on, people.

Homosexuality does seem to have a strong fascination for heterosexual men, and not just on this forum. On the other hand, you and I should admit it's a common topic in news sources, which treat it as politically relevant.

 

[minasoliman]

I think the relevant issue is not necessarily the speech, but where he is addressing his speech, which in the nation of Georgia, known to be, sadly, violent against gay people.  I think that is the problem.  How are we to preach against homosexuality in a Christian manner while seemingly going to a nation that endorses violent behavior against them?  Is that really the bulwark of "protecting the faith"?

 

[DeniseDenise]

I think the relevant issue is not necessarily the speech, but where he is addressing his speech, which in the nation of Georgia, known to be, sadly, violent against gay people.  I think that is the problem.  How are we to preach against homosexuality in a Christian manner while seemingly going to a nation that endorses violent behavior against them?  Is that really the bulwark of "protecting the faith"?

This

 

[Georgios Scholarios]

I admire Fr. Josiah, but it odds how he can swing from very respectful criticism of Mark Takano to his comments this year in Georgia. I know in California he sees very provocative and offensive pride parade floats that insult the religious, but I have to agree with Mina here about what he said.

 

[Alveus Lacuna]

I can't get over how stupid raging about bathrooms is. That said, I love Fr. Josiah and I think in many ways he is a deeply holy and wise man, but every so often I have to just ignore something he says. For example, one time he taught that single mothers should give up their own children for adoption to Orthodox couples, as it's cruel and unnatural to deny them both a mother and a father. It was a cringe-inducing yikes moment for me.

 

[Porter ODoran]

I think in many ways he is a deeply holy and wise man ...

I'm curious what the basis of your feeling might be. The things he writes? The things he has suffered? Do you know him personally?

 

[RaphaCam]

Another gay thread? Come on, people.

Another homothread.

 

[Alveus Lacuna]

I'm curious what the basis of your feeling might be. The things he writes? The things he has suffered? Do you know him personally?

A burning in the bosom. I just know it's so.

Seriously though, his lived family ethic, his deep knowledge of Scripture and the Fathers, and what he generally conveys in his homilies. For all I know the guy could be a monster in real life, but I love him from a distance. He's the reason I have three kids and not one or two; his strong stance against birth control.

 

[Porter ODoran]

I'm curious what the basis of your feeling might be. The things he writes? The things he has suffered? Do you know him personally?

A burning in the bosom. I just know it's so.

Seriously though, his lived family ethic, his deep knowledge of Scripture and the Fathers, and what he generally conveys in his homilies. For all I know the guy could be a monster in real life, but I love him from a distance. He's the reason I have three kids and not one or two; his strong stance against birth control.

Thank you for answering. If all I had to go on is this article, the things you say he's said against mothers, and the photo in the article, I'd fall into the error of thinking this must be a man of belligerence and vanity.

 

[mike]

How do priests wearing dresses all the time fit into that all trans thing and bathroom usage? Curious.

 

[RaphaCam]

How do priests wearing dresses all the time fit into that all trans thing and bathroom usage? Curious.

Watch your words, he's still a priest.

 

[seekeroftruth777]

How do priests wearing dresses all the time fit into that all trans thing and bathroom usage? Curious.

You watch your mouth Mike, it not ok talking about a priest that way, you seem real hostile to the faith lately.

 

[NicholasMyra]

This is extremist evil and has no place in the church or in civil society.

He doesn't defy "the world"; Fr. Josiah teaches people to cower/lash out in fear of it.

 

[mike]

Watch your words, he's still a priest.

And?

You watch your mouth Mike, it not ok talking about a priest that way

Is it ok for priests to talk like that?

, you seem real hostile to the faith lately.

Not really.

 

[RaphaCam]

We owe veneration to priests. Making fun at liturgical garments relating them to transsexualism because a priest said a perceived mean thing is the opposite of that.

You watch your mouth Mike, it not ok talking about a priest that way

Is it ok for priests to talk like that?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[NicholasMyra]

, you seem real hostile to the faith lately.

Not really.

To the faith of Pusillanimodoxy perhaps.

 

[TheTrisagion]

“There’s a long and consistent history of unusual bathroom use in the LGBT community"

- Favorite quote ever.

 

[Luke]

The inimitable Fr Josiah is bravely standing up to the Homofascists and their bathroom intrusions at the World Council of Families in Tbilisi: http://frjohnpeck.com/homofascists-not-welcome/

Great speech!  Thanks for the video!

 

[Antonis]

Perhaps I watched the wrong video, as nobody else has commented on this: the topic of his discussion in that video does not match Fr John's write-up.

I have listened to the audio from a talk he gave at that conference that does, though.

 

[hecma925]

How do priests wearing dresses all the time fit into that all trans thing and bathroom usage? Curious.

Watch your face orifice, Mike.  He is still an ordained priest and you aren't allowed to have an opinion on him.

 

[hecma925]

Another gay thread? Come on, people.

Stay a while.  There'll be more.

 

[Eruvande]

Another gay thread? Come on, people.

Stay a while.  There'll be more.

It's quite a feature of the forum...

 

[Clemente]

Another gay thread? Come on, people.

Homosexuality does seem to have a strong fascination for heterosexual men, and not just on this forum. On the other hand, you and I should admit it's a common topic in news sources, which treat it as politically relevant.

Absolutely. Don't rock the boat or the LGBT lobby might not like us. It's so much easier just to do whatever they want.

 

[Clemente]

Another gay thread? Come on, people.

Stay a while.  There'll be more.

Yes, let's instead concentrate on ecological sins. All that stuff about homosexuality being bad is so antiquated.

 

[tuesdayschild]

Another gay thread? Come on, people.

Stay a while.  There'll be more.

It's quite a feature of the forum...

Anyone else remember the Great Moratorium of 2010? (It was 2010, wasn't it?)

 

[Clemente]

Watch your words, he's still a priest.

And?

You watch your mouth Mike, it not ok talking about a priest that way

Is it ok for priests to talk like that?

, you seem real hostile to the faith lately.

Not really.

Fortunately, Father Trenham has learnt enough from St. John Chrysostom not to worry too much about criticism, especially when he stands on the side of Orthodoxy.

 

[Mor Ephrem]

Another gay thread? Come on, people.

Stay a while.  There'll be more.

Yes, let's instead concentrate on ecological sins. All that stuff about homosexuality being bad is so antiquated.

 

[NicholasMyra]

Watch your words, he's still a priest.

And?

You watch your mouth Mike, it not ok talking about a priest that way

Is it ok for priests to talk like that?

, you seem real hostile to the faith lately.

Not really.

Fortunately, Father Trenham has learnt enough from St. John Chrysostom

Like how to send your wife to bed without dinner if she misbehaves?

 

[DeniseDenise]

Watch your words, he's still a priest.

And?

You watch your mouth Mike, it not ok talking about a priest that way

Is it ok for priests to talk like that?

, you seem real hostile to the faith lately.

Not really.

Fortunately, Father Trenham has learnt enough from St. John Chrysostom not to worry too much about criticism, especially when he stands on the side of Orthodoxy.

Not worrying about criticism does not automagically make one 'on the side of Orthodoxy'.

 

[seekeroftruth777]

Watch your words, he's still a priest.

And?

You watch your mouth Mike, it not ok talking about a priest that way

Is it ok for priests to talk like that?

, you seem real hostile to the faith lately.

Not really.

Fortunately, Father Trenham has learnt enough from St. John Chrysostom not to worry too much about criticism, especially when he stands on the side of Orthodoxy.

Not worrying about criticism does not automagically make one 'on the side of Orthodoxy'.

So Denise should Orthodoxy just cave on the Sin of Homosexuality then? What is Fr. Josiah doing that not on the side of Orthodoxy? It seems strange that people get mad at priests, heirarchs and whole Orthodox nations for their opostion to this sin.

 

[minasoliman]

How do priests wearing dresses all the time fit into that all trans thing and bathroom usage? Curious.

Watch your words, he's still a priest.

How do priests wearing dresses all the time fit into that all trans thing and bathroom usage? Curious.

You watch your mouth Mike, it not ok talking about a priest that way, you seem real hostile to the faith lately.

May I suggest that even if justified, not to act like someone who is pointing a figurer inappropriately.  If you must disagree with Mike, do so as part of a discussion, not in an accusative manner.

 

[seekeroftruth777]

How do priests wearing dresses all the time fit into that all trans thing and bathroom usage? Curious.

Watch your words, he's still a priest.

How do priests wearing dresses all the time fit into that all trans thing and bathroom usage? Curious.

You watch your mouth Mike, it not ok talking about a priest that way, you seem real hostile to the faith lately.

May I suggest that even if justified, not to act like someone who is pointing a figurer inappropriately.  If you must disagree with Mike, do so as part of a discussion, not in an accusative manner.

OK Mina, I was wrong, won't happen again. I just get tired that some laity don't show respect for the hierarchy, and even ridicule them, still I was wrong.