- May 24, 2004
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Charles,Charles Martel said:Well, first of all, I didn't say he "encourages" sodomy, so you can retract your false accusation.minasoliman said:on the threadCharles Martel said:Are you asking me to substantiate on this thread or a pm?minasoliman said:Moderator hat on:Charles Martel said:I still fail to see what your getting at. I never said I never once didn't obey God's Law, of course I sinnned, I sin all the time, but i'm not on here making excuses for my sins and I certainly don't confirm others in theirs. But, you and most other sodomite-encouragers on here always revert to the same old tired argument that anyone who points out the abomination of homosexuality and the Church's utter rejection of it are just throwing stones from glass houses. A complete false dichotomy on the issue of sodomy.I laughed at the juxtaposition of "no one's declaring they're not a sinner" with "I'm just obeying God".
Sodomy is wrong , it matters not whether or not me or anyone is is a "sinner". We're all sinners.
One way or another when you violate the Natural Law it has an adverse effect on the individual, nation or culture in one form or another. We are already beginning to reap what we have sowed by all the sins of the flesh that we have been publicly peddeling for the last 50 or so yrs. And now we are legitimizing sodomy, it's only a matter of time before we self destruct in this abhorrent "lifestyle". you might not want to admit it, but but we will be held accountable.If you're guilty of breaking God's law, how are you held accountable?
http://www.hivplusmag.com/prevention/2015/09/25/shocking-stats-stds-americaWhat does that look like?
I'm going to ask you Charles to substantiate your claim that Mor Ephrem encourages sodomy. If you cannot substantiate this claim, then I will give you a 45% warning based on the fact that the last time you received an ad hominem warning was with 40%.
You have 24 hours to fulfill my request.
What I said was that he and some others who post on here are encouraging sodomites who are hell bent in their rejection of official Church doctrine of it's rejection of the sin of sodomy when Mor and those I mentioned seem to go on the attack on those like myself who take a hard line backing Tradition and ORTHODOXY when it comes to the sin of Sodom and any other sins of the flesh.Maybe he doesn't see it that way, but from my vantage point, he always seems to want to out me as a hypocrite who has no right accusing others engaging, even trying to justify their obstinacy in the completely immoral act of sodomy.
At any rate, what I percieve here in your threat in moderation is a retaliation by you and mor against me for my refusal to go along with the program of "tolerance" of this sinful act or any of it's protagonists all in the name of "charity" and trying to evangelize them, when the both of you could care less how many of those you chase away from the Church and even Christianity who might view your soft stance and attack on traditionalists as typical of weak Christians who can't even back up something as simple as telling the unrepentant homosexual he is wrong and Christianity is incompatible with sodomy in any form.
But you go ahead and make special exceptions for the advocates of sodomy while you bring the hammer down on those who vehemently oppose it, just like in the secular world. Silence all oppostion. This is typical of all that is wrong with the Church today, there really is no difference in many instances between the world and it's political correctness or the approach and policies of many christians and clergy out there who actually attack people like Fr. Josiah or myself making a stand against sodomy.
I would like to elaborate more on this and my response to your request of substansiation, but due to time constraints in my work schedule, time is a luxury I do not have right now.So you go ahead and and moderate me for "ad hominem" when that is clearly not my intent. But my position on sodomy and Mor's intent remains the same.
This is what you are telling me:
1. I called Mor a sodomite-encourager in that he encourages sodomites to further their cause in this thread.
2. You, Mina, don't really like me and try to trap me anyway.
3. I really have no time to clarify calling Mor this.
4. Go ahead and moderate me, I don't care.
Charles, you are an excellent example of a manner in which your belligerent posting will cause you to slip. Words matter. If you can't back it up, and you are giving me this attitude that I am out to get you, what choice do I have? In my dealings with you when I moderated you, and you appealed to me, did I deal with you unfairly?
I'm giving you another chance. If you really don't have enough time, then I can give you another 24 hours. You even have the chance to take back what you said. But don't you again give me that adolescent complaint that I am out to get you or pick on you. It is your problem, not mine that you skirt around the rules like this.