Gay marriage could signal return to ‘centuries of persecution’, say RCC priests

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biro said:
William said:
Why is everyone acting like this is so absurd? Catholic institutions have already been closed down because of this.
I am not aware of one church that has closed because the church didn't like gay marriage. I have heard of many that were closed because they had to be sold to pay settlements from the child abuse scandal.
Biro, do you honestly think that the powers that be will tolerate any "intolerance" from the RCs whether real or supposed? I'm with William on this.

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biro said:
William said:
Why is everyone acting like this is so absurd? Catholic institutions have already been closed down because of this.
I am not aware of one church that has closed because the church didn't like gay marriage. I have heard of many that were closed because they had to be sold to pay settlements from the child abuse scandal.
Catholic orphanages have been forced to close for refusing to allow gay couples to adopt.
 

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Tallitot said:
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Let me guess Tallitot, you're in pretend-Jew "Reformed Judaism"?
No, Conservative:
http://uscj.org/
You realize Judaism strongly condemns homosexuality and homosexual marriage right? It's only the pretend Jews of the Reformed Judaism movement that accept it.
 

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88Devin12 said:
Tallitot said:
88Devin12 said:
Let me guess Tallitot, you're in pretend-Jew "Reformed Judaism"?
No, Conservative:
http://uscj.org/
You realize Judaism strongly condemns homosexuality and homosexual marriage right? It's only the pretend Jews of the Reformed Judaism movement that accept it.
Are you Jewish? If not then perhaps you don't know what you're talking about.
 

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88Devin12 said:
You realize Judaism strongly condemns homosexuality and homosexual marriage right? It's only the pretend Jews of the Reformed Judaism movement that accept it.
Conservative Judaism, while not being part of Reform Judaism, seems to vary between being closer to Orthodox or Reform.
 

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Tallitot said:
88Devin12 said:
Tallitot said:
88Devin12 said:
Let me guess Tallitot, you're in pretend-Jew "Reformed Judaism"?
No, Conservative:
http://uscj.org/
You realize Judaism strongly condemns homosexuality and homosexual marriage right? It's only the pretend Jews of the Reformed Judaism movement that accept it.
Are you Jewish? If not then perhaps you don't know what you're talking about.
I think this would have sufficed.
 

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Tallitot said:
88Devin12 said:
Tallitot said:
88Devin12 said:
Let me guess Tallitot, you're in pretend-Jew "Reformed Judaism"?
No, Conservative:
http://uscj.org/
You realize Judaism strongly condemns homosexuality and homosexual marriage right? It's only the pretend Jews of the Reformed Judaism movement that accept it.
Are you Jewish? If not then perhaps you don't know what you're talking about.
I think the Hebrew Scriptures, Talmud and Midrash speak pretty plainly. Pretend Jews just try to re-interpret them, or ignore them. They're no better than the Jews who worshiped the golden calf. They are the exact same as Pretend Christians.
 

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88Devin12 said:
I think the Hebrew Scriptures, Talmud and Midrash speak pretty plainly. Pretend Jews just try to re-interpret them, or ignore them. They're no better than the Jews who worshiped the golden calf. They are the exact same as Pretend Christians.
The point was that he is Conservative, and much of Conservative Judaism accepts it like Reform Judaism does.

That's why I said that Conservative Judaism varies between being closer to Orthodox (minority I think) and closer to Reform (majority), particularly on issues like these.
 

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Nephi said:
88Devin12 said:
I think the Hebrew Scriptures, Talmud and Midrash speak pretty plainly. Pretend Jews just try to re-interpret them, or ignore them. They're no better than the Jews who worshiped the golden calf. They are the exact same as Pretend Christians.
The point was that he is Conservative, and much of Conservative Judaism accepts it like Reform Judaism does.

That's why I said that Conservative Judaism varies between being closer to Orthodox (minority I think) and closer to Reform (majority), particularly on issues like these.
Then Conservative Judaism is just a fake and pretend as Reformed Judaism
 

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88Devin12 said:
Nephi said:
88Devin12 said:
I think the Hebrew Scriptures, Talmud and Midrash speak pretty plainly. Pretend Jews just try to re-interpret them, or ignore them. They're no better than the Jews who worshiped the golden calf. They are the exact same as Pretend Christians.
The point was that he is Conservative, and much of Conservative Judaism accepts it like Reform Judaism does.

That's why I said that Conservative Judaism varies between being closer to Orthodox (minority I think) and closer to Reform (majority), particularly on issues like these.
Then Conservative Judaism is just a fake and pretend as Reformed Judaism
Whatever...but that really isn't the point of this thread.
 

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Tallitot said:
88Devin12 said:
Nephi said:
88Devin12 said:
I think the Hebrew Scriptures, Talmud and Midrash speak pretty plainly. Pretend Jews just try to re-interpret them, or ignore them. They're no better than the Jews who worshiped the golden calf. They are the exact same as Pretend Christians.
The point was that he is Conservative, and much of Conservative Judaism accepts it like Reform Judaism does.

That's why I said that Conservative Judaism varies between being closer to Orthodox (minority I think) and closer to Reform (majority), particularly on issues like these.
Then Conservative Judaism is just a fake and pretend as Reformed Judaism
Whatever...but that really isn't the point of this thread.
Of course, modern Judaism itself is just fake since Orthodoxy is the true successor to Israel but that's beside the point. I'm sure pretend Jews like the Reformed and Conservatives are just going to destroy the Jewish faith and turn more of them to atheism, it's already been happening.
 

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88Devin12 said:
Tallitot said:
88Devin12 said:
Nephi said:
88Devin12 said:
I think the Hebrew Scriptures, Talmud and Midrash speak pretty plainly. Pretend Jews just try to re-interpret them, or ignore them. They're no better than the Jews who worshiped the golden calf. They are the exact same as Pretend Christians.
The point was that he is Conservative, and much of Conservative Judaism accepts it like Reform Judaism does.

That's why I said that Conservative Judaism varies between being closer to Orthodox (minority I think) and closer to Reform (majority), particularly on issues like these.
Then Conservative Judaism is just a fake and pretend as Reformed Judaism
Whatever...but that really isn't the point of this thread.
Of course, modern Judaism itself is just fake since Orthodoxy is the true successor to Israel but that's beside the point. I'm sure pretend Jews like the Reformed and Conservatives are just going to destroy the Jewish faith and turn more of them to atheism, it's already been happening.
Do you have a point other than spreading your misinformation-fueled absurdities?
 

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choy said:
In a way this circles back to us.  Christians have maltreated gays for centuries, instead of being charitable to them and helping them with their struggle, they were maligned and abused.  Now they have "rights" on their side, this is going back to bite us.  Because of our track record for handling this issue, no one is taking our side.
Christians who weren't being Christian at the time...
 

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biro said:
I didn't realize the church had faced centuries of persecution by Anglican gay married guys.

Who do they mean, Elton John?
I feel persecuted every time I hear him sing.
 

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William said:
Why is everyone acting like this is so absurd? Catholic institutions have already been closed down because of this.
Indeed.

Catholic adoption agencies ceased work in Massachusetts after gay marriage became legal there, I remember reading.
 

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pmpn8rGPT said:
Jetavan said:
More than 1,000 priests have signed a letter voicing alarm that same-sex marriage could threaten religious freedom in a way last seen during “centuries of persecution” of Roman Catholics in England.

In one of the biggest joint letters of its type ever written, they raise fears that their freedom to practise and speak about their faith will be “severely” limited and dismiss Government reassurances as "meaningless".

They even liken David Cameron’s moves to redefine marriage to those of Henry VIII, whose efforts to secure a divorce from Katherine of Aragon triggered centuries of bloody upheaval between church and state.

They claim that, taken in combination with equalities laws and other legal restraints, the Coalition's plans will prevent Catholics and other Christians who work in schools, charities and other public bodies speaking freely about their beliefs on the meaning of marriage.
Disgusting how religious leaders care about legislation

Even more so how uncharitable these statements are

We should love and pray for the sinners, if gay marriage is somehow a cause for Christian persecution then it is our own fault for not showing love and compassion and doing what we can to make them want to seek repentance from their promiscuous and homosexual behavior

Good thing we're not RCs
We can and do show love and compassion, but some people want an endorsement and blessing for their behavior, and that we cannot give.

How is the position of the Orthodox Church with regard to homosexual activity any different than that of the Roman Catholic Church?
 

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Nephi said:
88Devin12 said:
I think the Hebrew Scriptures, Talmud and Midrash speak pretty plainly. Pretend Jews just try to re-interpret them, or ignore them. They're no better than the Jews who worshiped the golden calf. They are the exact same as Pretend Christians.
The point was that he is Conservative, and much of Conservative Judaism accepts it like Reform Judaism does.

That's why I said that Conservative Judaism varies between being closer to Orthodox (minority I think) and closer to Reform (majority), particularly on issues like these.
There's apparently a trend of Orthodox Christians becoming gay Jews. I know at least three.
 

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JamesRottnek said:
88Devin12 said:
Tallitot said:
88Devin12 said:
Nephi said:
88Devin12 said:
I think the Hebrew Scriptures, Talmud and Midrash speak pretty plainly. Pretend Jews just try to re-interpret them, or ignore them. They're no better than the Jews who worshiped the golden calf. They are the exact same as Pretend Christians.
The point was that he is Conservative, and much of Conservative Judaism accepts it like Reform Judaism does.

That's why I said that Conservative Judaism varies between being closer to Orthodox (minority I think) and closer to Reform (majority), particularly on issues like these.
Then Conservative Judaism is just a fake and pretend as Reformed Judaism
Whatever...but that really isn't the point of this thread.
Of course, modern Judaism itself is just fake since Orthodoxy is the true successor to Israel but that's beside the point. I'm sure pretend Jews like the Reformed and Conservatives are just going to destroy the Jewish faith and turn more of them to atheism, it's already been happening.
Do you have a point other than spreading your misinformation-fueled absurdities?
What would the Patron of Cigarette Manufacturers say?
 
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