Gay marriage could signal return to ‘centuries of persecution’, say RCC priests

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Father H said:
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I can't believe that most Orthodox really believe this way.
I'd say most don't.
Correct.  One would be foolish to judge a whole religious body based on a single thread on a single forum. 
Right Father, that's why I said "I can't believe".

There's no way most Orthodox are pro-homosexual.
 

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Michał Kalina said:
Define "pro-homosexual".
In this context it probably means not foaming at the mouth and not writing all manner of psycho-analysable babble.
 

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88Devin12 said:
I sincerely hope that modern Judaism (the ones which are liberalizing) dies a terrible, and quick death. Same thing for all of "progressive" and liberal "Christianity".
Having participated in both of these traditions, I can report that they do seem to be dying out.

I believe that everyone should practice as they want (but if they see the light of Orthodox Christianity, hooray!)  "Pretend" Christianity and Judaism (which is the best term ever,) are ridiculous.  I support people who want to practice them, but I do not support the practices themselves.  It's silliness.
 

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Michał Kalina said:
Define "pro-homosexual".
Anything not definitively anti-homosexual.

Or at least how the Church defines it.

And charity does not equal acceptance.
 

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I was taught to hate the sin NOT the sinner, bearing in mind we are all sinners.
 

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Church = The, or of the, original Apostolic Church (i.e., Orthodox and Roman Catholic)

Pro = In favor of, promoting, or not in opposition to

Anti = Against or in opposition to

Homosexual = Of or pertaining to homosexuality/homosexual acts (Sin)
 

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Kerdy said:
Church = The, or of the, original Apostolic Church (i.e., Orthodox and Roman Catholic)
I don't consider Vatican to be a part of the Church.

Pro = In favor of, promoting, or not in opposition to
"In favour" is not equal to "not in opposition to".

Anti = Against or in opposition to
"Against" is not an opposition to "in favour".

Homosexual = Of or pertaining to homosexuality/homosexual acts (Sin)
"Homosexuality" does not equal to "homosexual acts".

Your definition is dumb. Make it more precise.
 

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Michał Kalina said:
Kerdy said:
Church = The, or of the, original Apostolic Church (i.e., Orthodox and Roman Catholic)
I don't consider Vatican to be a part of the Church. (That's you, not Catholics)

Pro = In favor of, promoting, or not in opposition to
"In favour" is not equal to "not in opposition to". (Yes it is.)

Anti = Against or in opposition to
"Against" is not an opposition to "in favour". (Yes it is.)

Homosexual = Of or pertaining to homosexuality/homosexual acts (Sin)
"Homosexuality" does not equal to "homosexual acts".  (There is a little word I placed in there you apparently skipped over.  Its "or", and Yes it does.)

Your definition is dumb. Make it more precise.
Then perhaps you should have posted YOUR definitions.

Because you do not like it in no way makes it dumb. (bolded portion reference).  

Did you forget what this thread was discussing?  (blue portion reference)
 

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I think "pro-homosexual" and "anti-homosexual" may be too vague, and any other similar words are going to be loaded.

Maybe say the "opposition of legal or moral acceptance of homosexual behavior (e.g. marriage)," the "encouraging of legal or moral acceptance of homosexual behavior," or the "indifference to legal or moral acceptance of homosexual behavior."

In each case, "legal or moral" may be contextual as an either-or situation, or a both-and.
 

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"How does the Church (what Church?) define it?


Church: One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church

Here's some help for you;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfqKOUqy9OM

Homosexuality: "2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.


"Define "anti-homosexual".


Anti: an·ti/ˈæn taɪ, ˈæn ti/ Show Spelled [an-tahy, an-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural an·tis. 
a person who is opposed to a particular practice, party, policy, action, etc.

Homosexual:ho·mo·sex·u·al/ˌhoʊ məˈsɛk ʃu əl or, esp. British, -ˈsɛks yu-/ Show Spelled [hoh-muh-sek-shoo-uh l or, esp. British, -seks-yoo-] Show IPA
adjective 
1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting homosexuality.
2. of, pertaining to, or noting the same sex.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homosexual?s=t


Are we clear now?

Or do I have to define "clear". ::)
 

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"I don't consider Vatican to be a part of the Church."


It doesn't matter what you consider outside of the  Michal Kalina-kingdom.

2000 yrs of history says different.

 

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Charles Martel said:
Homosexual:ho·mo·sex·u·al/ˌhoʊ məˈsɛk ʃu əl or, esp. British, -ˈsɛks yu-/ Show Spelled [hoh-muh-sek-shoo-uh l or, esp. British, -seks-yoo-] Show IPA
adjective 
1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting homosexuality.
2. of, pertaining to, or noting the same sex.
This is the problem definition. I think he's making the distinction between "homosexual (the person)" and "homosexual behavior/activities," which are very different meanings meant by "homosexual" in this context. So if one says "anti-homosexual" it could mean "anti-homosexual (the person)" or "anti-homosexual behavior/activities."
 

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Nephi said:
Charles Martel said:
Homosexual:ho·mo·sex·u·al/ˌhoʊ məˈsɛk ʃu əl or, esp. British, -ˈsɛks yu-/ Show Spelled [hoh-muh-sek-shoo-uh l or, esp. British, -seks-yoo-] Show IPA
adjective 
1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting homosexuality.
2. of, pertaining to, or noting the same sex.
This is the problem definition. I think he's making the distinction between "homosexual (the person)" and "homosexual behavior/activities," which are very different meanings meant by "homosexual" in this context. So if one says "anti-homosexual" it could mean "anti-homosexual (the person)" or "anti-homosexual behavior/activities."
Let me ask you this.......would he make the same distinction between pedophile and pedophilia?
 

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Charles Martel said:
Nephi said:
Charles Martel said:
Homosexual:ho·mo·sex·u·al/ˌhoʊ məˈsɛk ʃu əl or, esp. British, -ˈsɛks yu-/ Show Spelled [hoh-muh-sek-shoo-uh l or, esp. British, -seks-yoo-] Show IPA
adjective 
1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting homosexuality.
2. of, pertaining to, or noting the same sex.
This is the problem definition. I think he's making the distinction between "homosexual (the person)" and "homosexual behavior/activities," which are very different meanings meant by "homosexual" in this context. So if one says "anti-homosexual" it could mean "anti-homosexual (the person)" or "anti-homosexual behavior/activities."
Let me ask you this.......would he make the same distinction between pedophile and pedophilia?
One is activity and one is a person.
 

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Charles Martel said:
Nephi said:
Charles Martel said:
Homosexual:ho·mo·sex·u·al/ˌhoʊ məˈsɛk ʃu əl or, esp. British, -ˈsɛks yu-/ Show Spelled [hoh-muh-sek-shoo-uh l or, esp. British, -seks-yoo-] Show IPA
adjective 
1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting homosexuality.
2. of, pertaining to, or noting the same sex.
This is the problem definition. I think he's making the distinction between "homosexual (the person)" and "homosexual behavior/activities," which are very different meanings meant by "homosexual" in this context. So if one says "anti-homosexual" it could mean "anti-homosexual (the person)" or "anti-homosexual behavior/activities."
Let me ask you this.......would he make the same distinction between pedophile and pedophilia?
You do have a point, after all, in the words of Our Lord: By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you hate teh geyz.
 
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