celticfan1888
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Sadly I didn't, and I wish I did, because now when my fiancee and I have our wedding night it won't be as special, considering we...yeah anyway, without getting graphic, I regret it. So stay celibate till marriage.
The Fathers knew the greater devil.augustin717 said:I too, have a conundrum: in many books I read, masturbation was explained as "sin with the devil". Now, was I thinking, isn't it better to sin with an actual human?
"Amen" to that. A truly promiscuous person (not just someone who’s had sex outside of marriage, but one who actively goes about looking for frequent sex with different people) uses sex and their sexual partners as toys. In the end, they don’t care at all about either beyond their own pleasure. They also don’t really care about their health, for that matter. Ick!ialmisry said:If you get involved with one, you might be unfortunate enough to find out.JamesR said:Besides, what's wrong with promiscuous girls?
"Doing something for us" or "making it easy" would be an indication that he doesn't want us to participate with him in something, i.e. goodness, love for your spouse, or in creation of new humans. It would also imply that we're just God's toys, and/or that sex is some sort of unimportant automatic task like eating or resting or some such.JamesR said:Instead of forcing us to take the hard path by fasting and doing all of that aforementioned stuff, why don't God take responsibility for His creations and do something for us? Sure, He became incarnate and defeated death, but that doesn't change the fact that He has still given us an impossible ethical code to follow. Maybe I don't want to accept the honor of being called to become a God and would rather stay an animal.
Maybe if He didn't allow my mother to be abused and live her life without a male role model (fatherless) then she would not have fornicated...
You must've accidentally edited out the part where you wrote that you also regret it because it's explicitly forbidden by Church teachings.celticfan1888 said:because now when my fiancee and I have our wedding night it won't be as special...
It depends on what you mean by "history." In most civilized contexts, including ancient China, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Britain -- basically, almost any place on Earth during periods where there was some degree of stable government, from ancient times through the medieval period -- it was very unusual for men to get married before the age of 20 and more typical for them to marry in their late twenties or even early 30s. The age for women varied, but it was typically well after the beginning of puberty and, in many areas, reserved for those in the late teens or even early twenties. Rich/noble people tended to marry on the earlier side of the spectrum; normal people on the later.age234 said:For much of history, people got married around the time their sexual appetites got to that point. The biggest issue may be that people wait 10 years longer to marry than their bodies say they should.
I think James wants an answer outside the ChurchCognomen said:You must've accidentally edited out the part where you wrote that you also regret it because it's explicitly forbidden by Church teachings.celticfan1888 said:because now when my fiancee and I have our wedding night it won't be as special...olice:
Balaam's ass and all that.JamesR said:If my mom hadn't fornicated then I wouldn't be here.
You should read about the sorta husband good ol' Jung was.NicholasMyra said:The Fathers knew the greater devil.augustin717 said:I too, have a conundrum: in many books I read, masturbation was explained as "sin with the devil". Now, was I thinking, isn't it better to sin with an actual human?
In the words of Carl Jung:
"A particularly beautiful woman is a source of terror. As a rule, a beautiful woman is a terrible disappointment."
There some stuff I like of Jung but a few things he gets weird. Never liked Freud when I studied him.orthonorm said:You should read about the sorta husband good ol' Jung was.NicholasMyra said:The Fathers knew the greater devil.augustin717 said:I too, have a conundrum: in many books I read, masturbation was explained as "sin with the devil". Now, was I thinking, isn't it better to sin with an actual human?
In the words of Carl Jung:
"A particularly beautiful woman is a source of terror. As a rule, a beautiful woman is a terrible disappointment."
Nut job.
Freud made a terrible decision passing his mantle on, so to speak, to him.
Thankfully, no one takes him seriously outside newage books stores.
Freud is brilliant.Achronos said:There some stuff I like of Jung but a few things he gets weird. Never liked Freud when I studied him.orthonorm said:You should read about the sorta husband good ol' Jung was.NicholasMyra said:The Fathers knew the greater devil.augustin717 said:I too, have a conundrum: in many books I read, masturbation was explained as "sin with the devil". Now, was I thinking, isn't it better to sin with an actual human?
In the words of Carl Jung:
"A particularly beautiful woman is a source of terror. As a rule, a beautiful woman is a terrible disappointment."
Nut job.
Freud made a terrible decision passing his mantle on, so to speak, to him.
Thankfully, no one takes him seriously outside newage books stores.
For the most part, yes. Yet I have found his studies on personalities interesting. Particularly Briggs-Myers usage of Jung's 'personality type' studies. For the record, I identify with ISFJ type.orthonorm said:Thankfully, no one takes him seriously outside newage books stores.NicholasMyra said:The Fathers knew the greater devil.augustin717 said:I too, have a conundrum: in many books I read, masturbation was explained as "sin with the devil". Now, was I thinking, isn't it better to sin with an actual human?
In the words of Carl Jung:
"A particularly beautiful woman is a source of terror. As a rule, a beautiful woman is a terrible disappointment."
You're in a very small circle, my friend.orthonorm said:Freud is brilliant.Achronos said:There some stuff I like of Jung but a few things he gets weird. Never liked Freud when I studied him.orthonorm said:You should read about the sorta husband good ol' Jung was.NicholasMyra said:The Fathers knew the greater devil.augustin717 said:I too, have a conundrum: in many books I read, masturbation was explained as "sin with the devil". Now, was I thinking, isn't it better to sin with an actual human?
In the words of Carl Jung:
"A particularly beautiful woman is a source of terror. As a rule, a beautiful woman is a terrible disappointment."
Nut job.
Freud made a terrible decision passing his mantle on, so to speak, to him.
Thankfully, no one takes him seriously outside newage books stores.
Jung is a goof.
And I'll leave it at that.
Myers-Briggs is nonsense in the end like most popular personality tests.GabrieltheCelt said:For the most part, yes. Yet I have found his studies on personalities interesting. Particularly Briggs-Myers usage of Jung's 'personality type' studies. For the record, I identify with ISFJ type.orthonorm said:Thankfully, no one takes him seriously outside newage books stores.NicholasMyra said:The Fathers knew the greater devil.augustin717 said:I too, have a conundrum: in many books I read, masturbation was explained as "sin with the devil". Now, was I thinking, isn't it better to sin with an actual human?
In the words of Carl Jung:
"A particularly beautiful woman is a source of terror. As a rule, a beautiful woman is a terrible disappointment."![]()
Actually I am not. If you look at who has had the most most impact on thought Freud easily trumps Jung from the common parlance to academia.GabrieltheCelt said:You're in a very small circle, my friend.orthonorm said:Freud is brilliant.Achronos said:There some stuff I like of Jung but a few things he gets weird. Never liked Freud when I studied him.orthonorm said:You should read about the sorta husband good ol' Jung was.NicholasMyra said:The Fathers knew the greater devil.augustin717 said:I too, have a conundrum: in many books I read, masturbation was explained as "sin with the devil". Now, was I thinking, isn't it better to sin with an actual human?
In the words of Carl Jung:
"A particularly beautiful woman is a source of terror. As a rule, a beautiful woman is a terrible disappointment."
Nut job.
Freud made a terrible decision passing his mantle on, so to speak, to him.
Thankfully, no one takes him seriously outside newage books stores.
Jung is a goof.
And I'll leave it at that.
Yup, I'm country-boy vanilla.orthonorm said:Myers-Briggs is nonsense in the end like most popular personality tests.GabrieltheCelt said:For the most part, yes. Yet I have found his studies on personalities interesting. Particularly Briggs-Myers usage of Jung's 'personality type' studies. For the record, I identify with ISFJ type.orthonorm said:Thankfully, no one takes him seriously outside newage books stores.NicholasMyra said:The Fathers knew the greater devil.augustin717 said:I too, have a conundrum: in many books I read, masturbation was explained as "sin with the devil". Now, was I thinking, isn't it better to sin with an actual human?
In the words of Carl Jung:
"A particularly beautiful woman is a source of terror. As a rule, a beautiful woman is a terrible disappointment."![]()
They tell you what you think about yourself, which is why most people overscore on the less commonly distributed but more highly regarded characteristics.
The most important thing I get from your score is that you probably pretty darn honest as you chose one of the most boring / common combos.
Good for you.
I disagree with your assesment. Instead of lauding these 'big three', I advocate studying Scripture and Patristics first for in them you will find a thorough understanding of the human condition far superior.orthonorm said:Your big three:
Nietzsche, Marx, Freud.
Can't imagine our world without them. And it certainly better for them.
Each has some interesting things to say about sex and marriage. In fact, you probably know some of the quotes without knowing their origin. Who knows?
Too bad each gets read too often by eyes too young to really appreciate them.
Oh well.
+ 500 million.NicholasMyra said:Time to go back to trying to read Romans.JamesR said:Sure, He became incarnate and defeated death, but that doesn't change the fact that He has still given us an impossible ethical code to follow.
Thank you.orthonorm said:Myers-Briggs is nonsense
Obvious reason is obvious. ;PCognomen said:You must've accidentally edited out the part where you wrote that you also regret it because it's explicitly forbidden by Church teachings.celticfan1888 said:because now when my fiancee and I have our wedding night it won't be as special...olice:
That is why God looks down on Fornication.JamesR said:If my mom hadn't fornicated then I wouldn't be here.
I scored a straight 100. You're just jealous.NicholasMyra said:Thank you.orthonorm said:Myers-Briggs is nonsense
If someone brings up their score in conversation, I normally seek to end the conversation.
James is a giant hybrid between the sons of the Elohim and human concubines?vamrat said:As for the OP - I have heard strange stories from the ancient past of such things taking place in the time of the Nephilim...
Punch said:That is why God looks down on Fornication.JamesR said:If my mom hadn't fornicated then I wouldn't be here.
orthonorm said:Your big three:
Nietzsche, Marx, Freud.
Can't imagine our world without them. And it certainly better for them.
Each has some interesting things to say about sex and marriage. In fact, you probably know some of the quotes without knowing their origin. Who knows?
Too bad each gets read too often by eyes too young to really appreciate them.
Oh well.
Is that the one they had in the beginning of 'Blade Runner'?biro said:[quote author=orthonorm]
Myers-Briggs is nonsense in the end like most popular personality tests.
How can it not know what it is?biro said:Nah, my eyes don't have a stripe in them.![]()
Why does it bother you so much? Why do you believe it's nonsense?NicholasMyra said:Thank you.orthonorm said:Myers-Briggs is nonsense
If someone brings up their score in conversation, I normally seek to end the conversation.
When someone dismisses the MB as nonsense, I usually dismiss them as an idiot. Like the KAI, it is a useful tool, and I have seen what happens when it is ignored. But like any tool, it cannot be used exclusively and works best when it is part of a battery of tests along with personal observation. BTW - I scored an INTJ on the test administered by my company. Knowing this, and some of the other things that I learned during testing, really helped me with my job.GabrieltheCelt said:Why does it bother you so much? Why do you believe it's nonsense?NicholasMyra said:If someone brings up their score in conversation, I normally seek to end the conversation.
I was thinking the same things re: using the MBTI as a helpful tool. I was also aware of many companies using it which is why I was interested in why Nicholas dismisses it. I'm still waiting for his reply, and I'd also like to add a question: Nicholas, are you in Human Resources or a Psychologist?Punch said:When someone dismisses the MB as nonsense, I usually dismiss them as an idiot. Like the KAI, it is a useful tool, and I have seen what happens when it is ignored. But like any tool, it cannot be used exclusively and works best when it is part of a battery of tests along with personal observation. BTW - I scored an INTJ on the test administered by my company. Knowing this, and some of the other things that I learned during testing, really helped me with my job.GabrieltheCelt said:Why does it bother you so much? Why do you believe it's nonsense?NicholasMyra said:If someone brings up their score in conversation, I normally seek to end the conversation.
Because it doesn't tell you anything you don't already know.GabrieltheCelt said:Why do you believe it's nonsense?
HR cults do a lot of things, Gabe.GabrieltheCelt said:I was also aware of many companies using it
No legitimate psychologist uses a MB. Companies like to do this sorta thing cause they get sold on it by those who hawk their wares cause it seems to boost morale a bit, much like some motivational speakers (revival tent preacher), "team building" BS, etc.GabrieltheCelt said:I was thinking the same things re: using the MBTI as a helpful tool. I was also aware of many companies using it which is why I was interested in why Nicholas dismisses it. I'm still waiting for his reply, and I'd also like to add a question: Nicholas, are you in Human Resources or a Psychologist?Punch said:When someone dismisses the MB as nonsense, I usually dismiss them as an idiot. Like the KAI, it is a useful tool, and I have seen what happens when it is ignored. But like any tool, it cannot be used exclusively and works best when it is part of a battery of tests along with personal observation. BTW - I scored an INTJ on the test administered by my company. Knowing this, and some of the other things that I learned during testing, really helped me with my job.GabrieltheCelt said:Why does it bother you so much? Why do you believe it's nonsense?NicholasMyra said:If someone brings up their score in conversation, I normally seek to end the conversation.
I disagree, but you described it as 'nonsense'. Your reply doesn't match your sentiments. And calling Human Resources 'cults' demonstrates a lack of understanding of what HR does. It's also just plain weird.NicholasMyra said:Because it doesn't tell you anything you don't already know.GabrieltheCelt said:Why do you believe it's nonsense?
Friend, what I really wish you would concentrate on is things you actually know about. I know Psychologists (both PhD.s and Psych.D.s) who administer the MB. I'm inpressed that you can find a Wiki article so quickly, but less impressed with your actual knowledge. For example, are you now the arbiter of what is and isn't a 'legitimate' Psychologist? Seems like you just like to hear yourself talk. I'm done with you.orthonorm said:No legitimate psychologist uses a MB. Companies like to do this sorta thing cause they get sold on it by those who hawk their wares cause it seems to boost morale a bit, much like some motivational speakers (revival tent preacher), "team building" BS, etc.GabrieltheCelt said:I was thinking the same things re: using the MBTI as a helpful tool. I was also aware of many companies using it which is why I was interested in why Nicholas dismisses it. I'm still waiting for his reply, and I'd also like to add a question: Nicholas, are you in Human Resources or a Psychologist?Punch said:When someone dismisses the MB as nonsense, I usually dismiss them as an idiot. Like the KAI, it is a useful tool, and I have seen what happens when it is ignored. But like any tool, it cannot be used exclusively and works best when it is part of a battery of tests along with personal observation. BTW - I scored an INTJ on the test administered by my company. Knowing this, and some of the other things that I learned during testing, really helped me with my job.GabrieltheCelt said:Why does it bother you so much? Why do you believe it's nonsense?NicholasMyra said:If someone brings up their score in conversation, I normally seek to end the conversation.
Of course every so many years they change the test so people can get the narcissistic joy of taking some tool that has zero help in diagnosing much of anything especially anything that might actually point toward psychological problems.
MB
Enneagram
Strength Finder
etc.
Tell us about yourself in some straight forward fashion and will give you some jargon about how to talk more about yourself.
E/INT/FP.
People over score on the N/P according to the very documentation which started this whole mess would suggest exists in the world.
Know thyself in an hour or less.
Kind criticism of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Validity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Reliability
Yes I am.GabrieltheCelt said:Friend, what I really wish you would concentrate on is things you actually know about. I know Psychologists (both PhD.s and Psych.D.s) who administer the MB. I'm inpressed that you can find a Wiki article so quickly, but less impressed with your actual knowledge. For example, are you now the arbiter of what is and isn't a 'legitimate' Psychologist? Seems like you just like to hear yourself talk.orthonorm said:No legitimate psychologist uses a MB. Companies like to do this sorta thing cause they get sold on it by those who hawk their wares cause it seems to boost morale a bit, much like some motivational speakers (revival tent preacher), "team building" BS, etc.GabrieltheCelt said:I was thinking the same things re: using the MBTI as a helpful tool. I was also aware of many companies using it which is why I was interested in why Nicholas dismisses it. I'm still waiting for his reply, and I'd also like to add a question: Nicholas, are you in Human Resources or a Psychologist?Punch said:When someone dismisses the MB as nonsense, I usually dismiss them as an idiot. Like the KAI, it is a useful tool, and I have seen what happens when it is ignored. But like any tool, it cannot be used exclusively and works best when it is part of a battery of tests along with personal observation. BTW - I scored an INTJ on the test administered by my company. Knowing this, and some of the other things that I learned during testing, really helped me with my job.GabrieltheCelt said:Why does it bother you so much? Why do you believe it's nonsense?NicholasMyra said:If someone brings up their score in conversation, I normally seek to end the conversation.
Of course every so many years they change the test so people can get the narcissistic joy of taking some tool that has zero help in diagnosing much of anything especially anything that might actually point toward psychological problems.
MB
Enneagram
Strength Finder
etc.
Tell us about yourself in some straight forward fashion and will give you some jargon about how to talk more about yourself.
E/INT/FP.
People over score on the N/P according to the very documentation which started this whole mess would suggest exists in the world.
Know thyself in an hour or less.
Kind criticism of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Validity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Reliability