Hitler's hate towards the Jews

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sedevacantist said:
Zionists Betrayed Non-Z Jews to Holocaust
I agree completely with this.  Among others, the history of Menachem Begin who was a member of the pro-Nazi Stern gang and also famous as the terrorist who blew up the King David hotel in 1948 and later Likud prime minister of Israel in the late Carter early Reagan era is very colorful.

Incidentally, I have an autobiography by an L.A. cop who in the 1960's was assigned to monitor Mickey Cohen who succeeded Bugsy Siegel in 1947 as the mob's overseer for the west coast.  (Incidentally, Cohen was a jewish mobster like Siegel and Lansky.) This policeman's autobiography 'There's a Fish in the Courthouse' says that he and his partner once observed and photographed an older smaller figure whom they had never seen before talking with Cohen and apparently dictating to this mobster from a position of authority.  They ran a make on the photographs, and it turned out to be Menachem Begin. 
 

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sedevacantist said:
Zionists Betrayed Non-Z Jews to Holocaust
You might wish to start a blog site. This is a discussion site. You posted; I rebuffed. You have not addressed my rebuttal except to suddenly impose conditions for your to respond.

I've also addressed your points as your colleague has raised them; namely

a) Hitler hated the Jews before he was in power
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b) it makes no sense to say Hitler accepted the support of those he hated in order to liquidate them
 

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sedevacantist said:
Zionists Betrayed Non-Z Jews to Holocaust
Indeed, such a shame that all of our "leaders" ever since MLK are Zionists, even more a shame how they hide behind the holocaust as their main excuse.
 

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Dionysii said:
sedevacantist said:
Zionists Betrayed Non-Z Jews to Holocaust
I agree completely with this.  Among others, the history of Menachem Begin who was a member of the pro-Nazi Stern gang and also famous as the terrorist who blew up the King David hotel in 1948 and later Likud prime minister of Israel in the late Carter early Reagan era is very colorful.

Incidentally, I have an autobiography by an L.A. cop who in the 1960's was assigned to monitor Mickey Cohen who succeeded Bugsy Siegel in 1947 as the mob's overseer for the west coast.  (Incidentally, Cohen was a jewish mobster like Siegel and Lansky.) This policeman's autobiography 'There's a Fish in the Courthouse' says that he and his partner once observed and photographed an older smaller figure whom they had never seen before talking with Cohen and apparently dictating to this mobster from a position of authority.  They ran a make on the photographs, and it turned out to be Menachem Begin.  
The US athorities worked with mafia connections prior to, and during their invasion of Sicily and Italy. This and what you cite are interesting but irrelevant to this thread; I accept you need to continually post blog-like anti-Jewish material. Anti-Semitic rubbish that would lead you to note only Jewish gangsters, and not who were the true mob bosses! It's not relevant at all to the thread, but if you want to tar a people then only mention this part. Ignore that the majority of mafia, including the bosses aren't Jewish!

Gary L. Wean the author of your book was a truly lucky man; to witness Begin, to being at Monroe’s house when she died, to getting involved in JFK conspiracy theory! It’s amazing he (and the LAPD) had a data base that included Menachem Begin, so he could achieve a match! Of course you believe him because it fits in with your anti-Jewish stance.

Menachem Begin and Mickey Cohen are apparently to blame for killing JFK to bringing down Nixon – even though these politicians were polar opposites!

 

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pmpn8rGPT said:
sedevacantist said:
Zionists Betrayed Non-Z Jews to Holocaust
Indeed, such a shame that all of our "leaders" ever since MLK are Zionists, even more a shame how they hide behind the holocaust as their main excuse.
I hope you're being ironic
 

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sedevacantist said:
    Rabbi Weismandel, who was in Slovakia, provided maps of Auschwitz and begged Jewish leaders to pressure the Allies to bomb the tracks and crematoriums. The leaders didn't press the Allies because the secret policy was to annihilate non-Zionist Jews. The Nazis came to understand that death trains and camps would be safe from attack and actually concentrated industry there. (See also, William Perl, "The Holocaust Conspiracy.')

None of the above is intended to absolve the Nazis of responsibility. However the holocaust could have been prevented or at least alleviated had the Zionist leadership behaved honorably.
If you read this it makes no sense. Jews provided maps, and pressured the allies to bomb, but then didn’t press the allies because it was their secret policy to kill off Jews in the camps.

So why would they provide maps and press them to bomb, but then not to press them to bomb?

It makes no sense at all.
 

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Dionysii said:
Among others, the history of Menachem Begin who was a member of the pro-Nazi Stern gang
Where do you have evidence that they were pro-Nazi?

I always understood that Begin was a member of the Irgun, not the Stern gang.
 

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Hannah Arendt wrote to US authorities against Begin. She called his racist tactics ‘Nazi-like’*

She was a zionist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt

The theory that Begin was trying to kill non-zionists is flawed. There are zionists who didn’t like his methods. Just as there were/are Irish nationalists who never supported the IRA. Zionism might itself be labelled racist, but Zionism is not inherently a violent/terrorist movement!

Not only is it nonsensical to blame the Jews for supporting Hitler and the Nazis, it’s the ultimate looney theory that’s under the anti-Semitic banner; that they’re so evil they caused their own demise!

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In November 1948, Begin visited the US on a campaigning trip. During his visit, a letter signed by Albert Einstein, Sidney Hook, Hannah Arendt, and other prominent Americans and several rabbis was published which described Begin's Herut party as "closely akin in its organization, methods, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties" and accused his group (along with the smaller, militant, Stern Gang) of preaching "racial superiority" and having "inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community".[18][19]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin

 

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Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

He was a racist nut.
There could easily be a link between Nazi and, Moslem abrogation of responsibility

Both seem to operate on the same principal; it’s all YOUR fault

When Moslems blow someone up they justify it because of a claim that Islam was insulted. They were justified to do so, because the other side struck first.

When men beat their wives, it’s because the wife deserved it!

We see that same lunacy here; that the Jews deserved to be attacked because they started it; even to the point of installing into power a person who hated them so much.

What evil people they must be to want to support someone who would kill them.

And of course it completely removes Hitler’s own culpability from his evil.*

Even for revisionists here who can’t/won’t support their own figures (somewhere well short of even 500,000) are advocating a Hitler bereft of personal responsibility for his evil.

Those who support such a low figure have never explained where the rest of European Jewry ended up. One person already posted here the number of Jews in Europe as according to Nazi sources. Where did approximately 5,500,000 Jews go?

Where are the records of such a phenomenal migration from Europe of European Jews?

Tonnes of irrelevancies; except to the mind of anti-Semites have arisen here; from Jews involved in the mafia to the disappearance of some Nazi after the war.

Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

He was a racist nut. He had many other racist nuts to support him. These racist nuts still pop up today

*- even at the most base level Hitler would be culpable of accepting support from people he hated. None of the Nazi apologists however have shown any evidence that he did this.
 

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montalban said:
Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

He was a racist nut.
There could easily be a link between Nazi and, Moslem abrogation of responsibility

Both seem to operate on the same principal; it’s all YOUR fault

When Moslems blow someone up they justify it because of a claim that Islam was insulted. They were justified to do so, because the other side struck first.

When men beat their wives, it’s because the wife deserved it!

We see that same lunacy here; that the Jews deserved to be attacked because they started it; even to the point of installing into power a person who hated them so much.

What evil people they must be to want to support someone who would kill them.

And of course it completely removes Hitler’s own culpability from his evil.*

Even for revisionists here who can’t/won’t support their own figures (somewhere well short of even 500,000) are advocating a Hitler bereft of personal responsibility for his evil.

Those who support such a low figure have never explained where the rest of European Jewry ended up. One person already posted here the number of Jews in Europe as according to Nazi sources. Where did approximately 5,500,000 Jews go?

Where are the records of such a phenomenal migration from Europe of European Jews?

Tonnes of irrelevancies; except to the mind of anti-Semites have arisen here; from Jews involved in the mafia to the disappearance of some Nazi after the war.

Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

He was a racist nut. He had many other racist nuts to support him. These racist nuts still pop up today

*- even at the most base level Hitler would be culpable of accepting support from people he hated. None of the Nazi apologists however have shown any evidence that he did this.
+1. Some, I'm sorry to say, even seem to pop up on this forum
 

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jmbejdl said:
+1. Some, I'm sorry to say, even seem to pop up on this forum

Aside from the fact Hitler hated the Jews, and wouldn't have accepted their support (and there's no evidence that he did - even from anti-Nazis - I'm not aware of any propaganda), the pro-Nazis here haven't said anything about why the pro-Zionists weren't targeting Jews in Poland.

There's a theory so full of holes as to be beyond belief.

IF Zionists wanted to push Jews into going to Palestine (ignoring the fact that the British (who controlled the Mandate there) wouldn't let them), then Poland with the larger Jewish population would be the obvious target.
 

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jmbejdl said:
montalban said:
Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

He was a racist nut.
There could easily be a link between Nazi and, Moslem abrogation of responsibility

Both seem to operate on the same principal; it’s all YOUR fault

When Moslems blow someone up they justify it because of a claim that Islam was insulted. They were justified to do so, because the other side struck first.

When men beat their wives, it’s because the wife deserved it!

We see that same lunacy here; that the Jews deserved to be attacked because they started it; even to the point of installing into power a person who hated them so much.

What evil people they must be to want to support someone who would kill them.

And of course it completely removes Hitler’s own culpability from his evil.*

Even for revisionists here who can’t/won’t support their own figures (somewhere well short of even 500,000) are advocating a Hitler bereft of personal responsibility for his evil.

Those who support such a low figure have never explained where the rest of European Jewry ended up. One person already posted here the number of Jews in Europe as according to Nazi sources. Where did approximately 5,500,000 Jews go?

Where are the records of such a phenomenal migration from Europe of European Jews?

Tonnes of irrelevancies; except to the mind of anti-Semites have arisen here; from Jews involved in the mafia to the disappearance of some Nazi after the war.

Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

He was a racist nut. He had many other racist nuts to support him. These racist nuts still pop up today

*- even at the most base level Hitler would be culpable of accepting support from people he hated. None of the Nazi apologists however have shown any evidence that he did this.
+1. Some, I'm sorry to say, even seem to pop up on this forum
+2
 

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Enough already. Why don't all the Nazi apologists just get digital TV  and spend their lives watching the History Channels on demand while connecting their tablets to a tv so you can "fact check" online until your fingers lock from repetitive motion disorders. That way the rest of us can do something constructive with our time.
 

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podkarpatska said:
Enough already. Why don't all the Nazi apologists just get digital TV  and spend their lives watching the History Channels on demand while connecting their tablets to a tv so you can "fact check" online until your fingers lock from repetitive motion disorders. That way the rest of us can do something constructive with our time.
I'm sure quite a few already have and do.  The problem, you see, is that they seem to feel that they must evangelize the rest of us and "right the wrongs" perpetrated upon humanity by those horrible Jews.  They just don't want the rest of us doing something constructive else with our time.
 

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podkarpatska said:
Enough already. Why don't all the Nazi apologists just get digital TV  and spend their lives watching the History Channels on demand while connecting their tablets to a tv so you can "fact check" online until your fingers lock from repetitive motion disorders. That way the rest of us can do something constructive with our time.
not sure if this is directed at me but just in case I am not a nazi apologist, are you a zionist apologist?
 

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montalban said:
sedevacantist said:
Zionists Betrayed Non-Z Jews to Holocaust
You might wish to start a blog site. This is a discussion site. You posted; I rebuffed. You have not addressed my rebuttal except to suddenly impose conditions for your to respond.

I've also addressed your points as your colleague has raised them; namely

a) Hitler hated the Jews before he was in power
and
b) it makes no sense to say Hitler accepted the support of those he hated in order to liquidate them
na , not interested in the blog thingy, you haven't rebuffed anything concerning the video I posted about the newspapers...I never said anything about Hitler liking jews..who financed Hitler?
 

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sedevacantist said:
montalban said:
sedevacantist said:
Zionists Betrayed Non-Z Jews to Holocaust
You might wish to start a blog site. This is a discussion site. You posted; I rebuffed. You have not addressed my rebuttal except to suddenly impose conditions for your to respond.

I've also addressed your points as your colleague has raised them; namely

a) Hitler hated the Jews before he was in power
and
b) it makes no sense to say Hitler accepted the support of those he hated in order to liquidate them
na , not interested in the blog thingy, you haven't rebuffed anything concerning the video I posted about the newspapers...I never said anything about Hitler liking jews..who financed Hitler?
I rebuffed Zyklon-B as not being lethal
 

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Punch said:
Montalban - just a simple question, have you actually read Mein Kampf?
What relevance is this?

We had to read it in Year 10, history, and write a report on it.

Have you read it?

Another weird book we had to read was "The Twelve Caesars" by Seutonius.

If you're really interested I've also read "Communist Manifesto" as well  :p
 

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sedevacantist said:
podkarpatska said:
Enough already. Why don't all the Nazi apologists just get digital TV  and spend their lives watching the History Channels on demand while connecting their tablets to a tv so you can "fact check" online until your fingers lock from repetitive motion disorders. That way the rest of us can do something constructive with our time.
not sure if this is directed at me but just in case I am not a nazi apologist, are you a zionist apologist?
So someone denying the Holocaust, and think it's all made up (an 'industry') is not a Nazi apologist?
 
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