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Has anyone seen/bought the "pocket-size" Book of Hours that Holy Transfiguration Monastery just published? It is a 176-page book with the Midnight Service and hours, similar to the green Psalter book.
 

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podkarpatska said:
What is the current status of HTM? It is fair comment to note that it has a somewhat convoluted history.
But their publications are sexy. 
 

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podkarpatska said:
What is the current status of HTM? It is fair comment to note that it has a somewhat convoluted history.
Still in HOCNA, so status: you decide.
Mor Ephrem said:
But their publications are sexy. 
Yup.
 

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hecma925 said:
Mor Ephrem said:
But their publications are sexy. 
Yup.
Agree.  I'm wondering whether I should get this.  I could always use it at my office rather than carry my huge Horologion with me.  Mor, let us know what you think.
 

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I ordered it yesterday and I live an hour away from the monastery, so I should receive it today/tomorrow.
 

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scamandrius said:
hecma925 said:
Mor Ephrem said:
But their publications are sexy. 
Yup.
Agree.  I'm wondering whether I should get this.  I could always use it at my office rather than carry my huge Horologion with me.  Mor, let us know what you think.
Sure will...mine will be ordered tonight.  Twenty Nine might be me to a review, though.  I look forward to hearing from him. 
 

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I may get this together with the prayerbook for the husband, once his Chrismation prep gets underway. Even considering P&P from across the pond, the prices are way cheaper than on Amazon.
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
scamandrius said:
hecma925 said:
Mor Ephrem said:
But their publications are sexy. 
Yup.
Agree.  I'm wondering whether I should get this.  I could always use it at my office rather than carry my huge Horologion with me.  Mor, let us know what you think.
Sure will...mine will be ordered tonight.  Twenty Nine might be me to a review, though.  I look forward to hearing from him. 
Then I'd like to hear from both of you.  BTW, this book is not available on Amazon.
 

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scamandrius said:
BTW, this book is not available on Amazon.
As it's brand new, the listing may take some time. But considering that the prayerbook, that is $18 from them, is $22 on Amazon, I can see this one going for $30-ish.
 

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Does this have the Psalms included, or would one need to also use the Pocket Psalter in conjunction? I would assume the latter since this book appears to only be 176 pgs.
 

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Inquirer said:
Does this have the Psalms included, or would one need to also use the Pocket Psalter in conjunction? I would assume the latter since this book appears to only be 176 pgs.
The Psalter is 240+ pages, so I really don't think the Book of Hours contains the Psalms. Buy the pocket Psalter...well worth the price.

I really like the service books that HTM publishes. The larger, blue Psalter is a must have. Not expensive and beautiful. The blue Prayer Book is good also; although it does not contain the canon of repentance before confession (not sure why).
 

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Twenty Nine said:
Inquirer said:
Does this have the Psalms included, or would one need to also use the Pocket Psalter in conjunction? I would assume the latter since this book appears to only be 176 pgs.
The Psalter is 240+ pages, so I really don't think the Book of Hours contains the Psalms. Buy the pocket Psalter...well worth the price.

I really like the service books that HTM publishes. The larger, blue Psalter is a must have. Not expensive and beautiful. The blue Prayer Book is good also; although it does not contain the canon of repentance before confession (not sure why).
YOu mean that the three psalms for each hour are not included?  I hope that's not what you meant.
 

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No, the psalms for each hour must be included. I meant that the entire psalter is not available in the Book of Hours.
 

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The Book of Hours arrived today.

The paper is slightly different: Mohawk Via Laid, very good quality and beautiful presentation. The typeset is the same as the pocket Psalter: Monotype Plantin. Contains The Midnight Service, The First Hour, The Third Hour, The Sixth Hour, The Service of the Typica, the Antiphons and Prokeimenon for each day of the week, The Service of the Refectory, and The Ninth Hour.

Each Hour is about 15 pages in total.
 

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How does it take 15 pages to get through a Little Hour? It takes 6 each in my prayer book (the Old Orthodox Prayer Book published by the Church of the Nativity in Erie), and the same in the service book my parish uses.
 

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Twenty Nine said:
The Book of Hours arrived today.

The paper is slightly different: Mohawk Via Laid, very good quality and beautiful presentation. The typeset is the same as the pocket Psalter: Monotype Plantin. Contains The Midnight Service, The First Hour, The Third Hour, The Sixth Hour, The Service of the Typica, the Antiphons and Prokeimenon for each day of the week, The Service of the Refectory, and The Ninth Hour.

Each Hour is about 15 pages in total.
Does it also include the hours as they are read during the Great Lenten fast?  Does it also have the mid hours?
 

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podkarpatska said:
What is the current status of HTM? It is fair comment to note that it has a somewhat convoluted history.
Its not that convoluted.  Before 1986 they were with ROCOR.  Since 1986, they have been flying solo.  Either way, their translations remain highly regarded.
 

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scamandrius said:
Twenty Nine said:
The Book of Hours arrived today.

The paper is slightly different: Mohawk Via Laid, very good quality and beautiful presentation. The typeset is the same as the pocket Psalter: Monotype Plantin. Contains The Midnight Service, The First Hour, The Third Hour, The Sixth Hour, The Service of the Typica, the Antiphons and Prokeimenon for each day of the week, The Service of the Refectory, and The Ninth Hour.

Each Hour is about 15 pages in total.
Does it also include the hours as they are read during the Great Lenten fast?  Does it also have the mid hours?
Yes to both!
 

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Am I the only person that can never tell if "HTM" is supposed to refer to the Brookline, MA monastery or the Jordanville, NY monastery?
 

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Am I the only person that can never tell if "HTM" is supposed to refer to the Brookline, MA monastery or the Jordanville, NY monastery?
I've only ever heard "Jordanville" as shorthand for the NY monastery, never HTM.
 

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Twenty Nine said:
scamandrius said:
Twenty Nine said:
The Book of Hours arrived today.

The paper is slightly different: Mohawk Via Laid, very good quality and beautiful presentation. The typeset is the same as the pocket Psalter: Monotype Plantin. Contains The Midnight Service, The First Hour, The Third Hour, The Sixth Hour, The Service of the Typica, the Antiphons and Prokeimenon for each day of the week, The Service of the Refectory, and The Ninth Hour.

Each Hour is about 15 pages in total.
Does it also include the hours as they are read during the Great Lenten fast?  Does it also have the mid hours?
Yes to both!
I may have to purchase it after all.
 

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jah777 said:
podkarpatska said:
What is the current status of HTM? It is fair comment to note that it has a somewhat convoluted history.
Its not that convoluted.  Before 1986 they were with ROCOR.  Since 1986, they have been flying solo.  Either way, their translations remain highly regarded.
I agree. Their translations are great. I have heard that Met. Joseph of the Antiochians wants to make their translations standard across the archdiocese. Wish others would follow suit. GOA translations are abysmally awful.

In Christ,
Andrew
 

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I have heard that the HTM/Boston Psalter wasn't that good from some sources; supposedly it has some awkward renderings and imprecise translations. I don't have a copy of it so I cannot comment. What do you all think?
 

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Inquirer said:
I have heard that the HTM/Boston Psalter wasn't that good from some sources; supposedly it has some awkward renderings and imprecise translations. I don't have a copy of it so I cannot comment. What do you all think?
THere are some archaisms and obsolete terms, but overall, I like it.  I think it flows quite nicely and since it is consistent overall, once you start to understand their phrasings, you won't have many problems going from psalm 1 to psalm 150.
 

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Inquirer said:
I have heard that the HTM/Boston Psalter wasn't that good from some sources; supposedly it has some awkward renderings and imprecise translations. I don't have a copy of it so I cannot comment. What do you all think?
I'm not an expert in terms of translation from Greek into English, but I have found it to be too awkward for me to use in prayer.  For a Psalter in "traditional" English, I prefer and recommend David James' A Psalter for Prayer.  
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
Inquirer said:
I have heard that the HTM/Boston Psalter wasn't that good from some sources; supposedly it has some awkward renderings and imprecise translations. I don't have a copy of it so I cannot comment. What do you all think?
I'm not an expert in terms of translation from Greek into English, but I have found it to be too awkward for me to use in prayer.  For a Psalter in "traditional" English, I prefer and recommend David James' A Psalter for Prayer.  
That's what I use and look forward to using it as often as possible.
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
Inquirer said:
I have heard that the HTM/Boston Psalter wasn't that good from some sources; supposedly it has some awkward renderings and imprecise translations. I don't have a copy of it so I cannot comment. What do you all think?
I'm not an expert in terms of translation from Greek into English, but I have found it to be too awkward for me to use in prayer.  For a Psalter in "traditional" English, I prefer and recommend David James' A Psalter for Prayer.  
Is there a pocket version of that, which perhaps includes the Odes?
 

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Inquirer said:
Mor Ephrem said:
Inquirer said:
I have heard that the HTM/Boston Psalter wasn't that good from some sources; supposedly it has some awkward renderings and imprecise translations. I don't have a copy of it so I cannot comment. What do you all think?
I'm not an expert in terms of translation from Greek into English, but I have found it to be too awkward for me to use in prayer.  For a Psalter in "traditional" English, I prefer and recommend David James' A Psalter for Prayer.  
Is there a pocket version of that, which perhaps includes the Odes?
We must pray.  ;)
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
For a Psalter in "traditional" English, I prefer and recommend David James' A Psalter for Prayer.  

Would that be easy for beginner to use?
 

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gueranger said:
Mor Ephrem said:
For a Psalter in "traditional" English, I prefer and recommend David James' A Psalter for Prayer.  

Would that be easy for beginner to use?
1). Open book
2). Read Psalms.
3). Allelulia, etc. at end of stasis/kathisma

Not difficult at all.
 

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Agabus said:
gueranger said:
Mor Ephrem said:
For a Psalter in "traditional" English, I prefer and recommend David James' A Psalter for Prayer.  

Would that be easy for beginner to use?
1). Open book
2). Read Psalms.
3). Allelulia, etc. at end of stasis/kathisma

Not difficult at all.
Sweet.
 

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gueranger said:
Agabus said:
gueranger said:
Mor Ephrem said:
For a Psalter in "traditional" English, I prefer and recommend David James' A Psalter for Prayer.  

Would that be easy for beginner to use?
1). Open book
2). Read Psalms.
3). Allelulia, etc. at end of stasis/kathisma

Not difficult at all.
Sweet.
This* is not David James' work, but it's an adaptation of the same Cloverdale text he used arranged for Orthodox use.

*link opens as a .doc
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
Sure will...mine will be ordered tonight.  Twenty Nine might be me to a review, though.  I look forward to hearing from him. 
Have you gotten yours yet? What do you think?
 

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Alveus Lacuna said:
Mor Ephrem said:
Sure will...mine will be ordered tonight.  Twenty Nine might be me to a review, though.  I look forward to hearing from him. 
Have you gotten yours yet? What do you think?
Yes, I did.  Like their prayer book and pocket Psalter, it is a well organised and attractive little volume.  I have some minor quibbles about things that might've been omitted/included, but it's not really a significant problem.   

I recommend it, though I'd also buy the prayer book if I didn't have it already.       
 
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