I am Godless

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LizaSymonenko said:
That makes two youngsters who have stumbled off the path this month, and are now lost in the wilderness - James and Trevor.

Both were so zealous, and now are so.....

Let us raise our voices to God and ask for His mercy upon them, that they may see the error of their ways and return to the One Holy and Apostolic Church.
Wait...what?  What happened to Trevor?
 

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vamrat said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That makes two youngsters who have stumbled off the path this month, and are now lost in the wilderness - James and Trevor.

Both were so zealous, and now are so.....

Let us raise our voices to God and ask for His mercy upon them, that they may see the error of their ways and return to the One Holy and Apostolic Church.
Wait...what?  What happened to Trevor?
Update on Trevor
 

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I think every believer has grappled with the problem of evil at some point in his or her life. C.S. Lewis' The Problem of Pain offers excellent intellectual answers to these questions. However, those intellectual answers do little to help with the emotional trauma of real life suffering. Friendship and love are the best things that I suppose we can offer people like James.

James, I understand your frustration. I grappled with these very things as a teenager and as a young adult. Just know that as you grow, you may gain a different perspective on the matter. Don't close yourself off to that possibility. Keep an open mind.
 

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I had lunch on Sunday with three young men - mid 20s to early 30s - a pair of brothers who had been born into a very nominal Greek Orthodox family, the third being a friend of theirs since high school and from an even less than nominal Protestant family. The three of them in their late teens were not practising any religion whatsoever and were involved in a wide range of worldly endeavours. Somewhere along the way, they did begin a quest for spiritual truth. They wandered about in all sorts of directions - a bit of Hinduism, Messianic Judaism, Mormonism, JW, etc. - and eventually found their way back to Orthodoxy and recognized there the truth (or should I say Truth?) they were looking for. I'm not clear as to how recent that was, but I don't think it could have been more than two, possibly three, years. God willing, the friend will be baptized in our church this coming Saturday. Glory to God!

My point is that if James and Trevor truly desire to find the truth, I expect that in time, they will return to Orthodoxy when they are more mature and ready to submit to all that is necessary for spiritual growth. Yes, we should worry a bit about the wandering sheep, but we on this forum can do little about bringing them back except prayer. The more immediate responsibility lies with the priest and parish who accepted that responsibility by welcoming and receiving them.

Perhaps this is a wake-up call for us to take a look at our own parishes to see who's missing.
 

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Schultz said:
vamrat said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That makes two youngsters who have stumbled off the path this month, and are now lost in the wilderness - James and Trevor.

Both were so zealous, and now are so.....

Let us raise our voices to God and ask for His mercy upon them, that they may see the error of their ways and return to the One Holy and Apostolic Church.
Wait...what?  What happened to Trevor?
Update on Trevor
Wow.  I hadn't seen that.  God be with him.  I know I've felt doubts before and it is the worst feeling in the world.  Thank God they pass after enough time.
 

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Let me add Peter Hitchens' The Rage Against God (he's brother of famous atheist Christopher Hitchens)
 

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Don't close yourself off to that possibility. Keep an open mind.
He is constitutional incapable of doing otherwise.
 

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It's not an easy place, and I'm not sarcastic as usual. At least some have the luxury of maintaining a casual, nominal-ish relationship with the tribal religion.
 

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Schultz said:
You are Godless?

Perhaps.

But you're also being a self-aggrandizing attention whore, but that's what a teenage boy is when he has something like the internet at his disposal.  Knock it off and grow up.

Oh, and Carl, we had little to do with this.  Many of us saw this coming from a mile away and he would've done this no matter who he had contact with.  The only person who should shoulder any blame other than James himself is his priest who baptised this immature child without much of a support network, but I'm sure he already knows that.
This doesn't help at all. All posts like this do is fuel the fire.
 

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TristanCross said:
Schultz said:
You are Godless?

Perhaps.

But you're also being a self-aggrandizing attention whore, but that's what a teenage boy is when he has something like the internet at his disposal.  Knock it off and grow up.

Oh, and Carl, we had little to do with this.  Many of us saw this coming from a mile away and he would've done this no matter who he had contact with.  The only person who should shoulder any blame other than James himself is his priest who baptised this immature child without much of a support network, but I'm sure he already knows that.
This doesn't help at all. All posts like this do is fuel the fire.
And all the coddling has done what? 

Tough love situation, folks. 
 

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augustin717 said:
At least some have the luxury of maintaining a casual, nominal-ish relationship with the tribal religion.
Some? Why not everyone?
 

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I just dont understand how someone can say they are atheists and then say they hate God. Sounds to me like a case of sour grapes.

I agree with Schultz. I hope James comes out of his funk, but I wont coddle him. I think part of his problem might be (from observation on here only) that he tends to fly by the seat of his pants, letting his emotions guide him where ever they flow.

He needs to calm down and think things through.

PP
 

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Alpo said:
augustin717 said:
At least some have the luxury of maintaining a casual, nominal-ish relationship with the tribal religion.
Some? Why not everyone?
Everyone, but tribal religions are different. Anyways it's not that important, although, I must say, the orthodox at least, offer decent funerals.
 

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Never has the "u mad" meme been more accurate, and yet more distasteful to be used.
 

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I just dont understand how someone can say they are atheists and then say they hate God. Sounds to me like a case of sour grapes.
I don't think he claims to be an atheist.
 

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Schultz said:
TristanCross said:
Schultz said:
You are Godless?

Perhaps.

But you're also being a self-aggrandizing attention whore, but that's what a teenage boy is when he has something like the internet at his disposal.  Knock it off and grow up.

Oh, and Carl, we had little to do with this.  Many of us saw this coming from a mile away and he would've done this no matter who he had contact with.  The only person who should shoulder any blame other than James himself is his priest who baptised this immature child without much of a support network, but I'm sure he already knows that.
This doesn't help at all. All posts like this do is fuel the fire.
And all the coddling has done what? 

Tough love situation, folks. 
Precisely.

First he was on his way to becoming a Bishop, then he hated Protestants and this led to him wanting to marry an Orthodox, Catholic or Atheist girl but not a Protestant because at least the atheist would be good in bed, then he became horny, then he got mad that God "made" us horny but wouldn't let us fornicate, then he turned into a Communist, now he's a horny malatheist communard.

The best thing we all can do is stop giving him the attention and let him think things through.

Thus I propose we derail the attention-thread.



Hey Marc, I hear Isa was saying that there are maps that prove that the paleo diet is bogus.



There.  That should do it.
 

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I don't know if it's right to completely dismiss him as an attention whore, there maybe more going on in the background than we realize.
 

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Achronos said:
I don't know if it's right to completely dismiss him as an attention whore, there maybe more going on in the background than we realize.
I agree with this. Judging from what he has told us, James haven't had what I would call the easiest childhood. There could be many reasons to why he is having these inner conflicts.
 
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