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orthonorm said:
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JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
Indeed, those trying to help him are guilty of hubris, thinking that their reasoning is capable of reaching the mind of an adolescent mid-tantrum.  If what Quinault has said to him hasn't snapped him out of it then perhaps a stint in the French Foreign Legion or the Marine Corps would do him well.  Something to teach him some maturity and discipline.
 

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Thanks quietmorning. Yours is a caring and sensible voice as always.
 

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orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
 

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vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
Indeed, those trying to help him are guilty of hubris, thinking that their reasoning is capable of reaching the mind of an adolescent mid-tantrum.  If what Quinault has said to him hasn't snapped him out of it then perhaps a stint in the French Foreign Legion or the Marine Corps would do him well.  Something to teach him some maturity and discipline.
As long as you know him.

Give him your number and get to know him a little better. Perhaps you already have. I mean you've done it for others in times of stress? Right?

Yeah, discipline . . .

 

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Green_Umbrella said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
Yikes!
Where do you live?
 

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Green_Umbrella said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
Yes, you are the Ice Cube of your generation.

Comparing embellishments of the imagined vicissitudes of one life of suffering to another sounds pretty much like the raison d'etre of poverty pr0n.

Take this to private and I'll give you some material to inspire your enterprise.
 

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Ansgar said:
Green_Umbrella said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
Yikes!
Where do you live?
Probably my neighbor.
 

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He could live on an american indian reservation. But if it is only 25% of the population without running water, it is one of the nicer ones.
 

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orthonorm said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
Indeed, those trying to help him are guilty of hubris, thinking that their reasoning is capable of reaching the mind of an adolescent mid-tantrum.  If what Quinault has said to him hasn't snapped him out of it then perhaps a stint in the French Foreign Legion or the Marine Corps would do him well.  Something to teach him some maturity and discipline.
As long as you know him.

Give him your number and get to know him a little better. Perhaps you already have. I mean you've done it for others in times of stress? Right?

Yeah, discipline . . .
Indeed and have benefited from it as well.  I have sent him a PM and he is free to get a hold of me however he prefers.
 

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But really, running water isn't the best method of determining quality of life. My little factoid: I grew up where <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/us/native-americans-struggle-with-high-rate-of-rape.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www">1 in 3 women is sexually assaulted. </a> That number is likely higher since natives tend to cover it up. The US isn't a perfect model of clean and ethical living.


You know, I do actually understand where the OP is coming from. I have been angry with God like that. But the last thing I needed was someone that just petted my head, told me I was so deep, and let me continue to spew bile. There is a point in life where you have to put on your big girl pants and make due with what you have. This is an issue of personal character moreso than faith. The anger with God is a symptom of a greater problem. Hopefully he will work past those issues. But no amount of coddling will help him. If wanted my number, he can ask and I will give it to him. But don't expect me to pet your head and tell you how brilliant you are. You aren't the first to notice that life often sucks, and you won't be the last.
 

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JamesR has made himself the biggest Rorschach blot around.
 

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vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
Indeed, those trying to help him are guilty of hubris, thinking that their reasoning is capable of reaching the mind of an adolescent mid-tantrum.  If what Quinault has said to him hasn't snapped him out of it then perhaps a stint in the French Foreign Legion or the Marine Corps would do him well.  Something to teach him some maturity and discipline.
As long as you know him.

Give him your number and get to know him a little better. Perhaps you already have. I mean you've done it for others in times of stress? Right?

Yeah, discipline . . .
Indeed and have benefited from it as well.  I have sent him a PM and he is free to get a hold of me however he prefers.
So in other words, without knowing much about a person you parse out advice based on some seemingly incendiary posts. Posts which to anyone with a little compassion, experience, insight, and perhaps knowing the person a little better than just from what they post here would understand much more lies beneath.

So, hubris and lack of "knowledge" so celebrated here..

You, Quinault, and company and deal out your "tough love" with whatever projections you must exercise in the world, but know that at least one person here sees it for what it is.

I don't mean this list to be exhaustive, but Gebre, Second Chance (sorry Karl, still trying), quietmorning and the like offer a little room for the possibility more might be at stake and whatever their projections might be, they come from the heart and offer a little bit of caring that might actually be taken for what it is.
 

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JamesR said:
I am going to love everyone and urge everyone to indulge in their passions.
Ah. "How quick come the reasons for approving what we like!"
 

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My point is, that the OP is not happy. He wants to claim that being without (and honestly opposed to) God will give him happiness. Everyone that believes in God is a sheeple and he is the only smart one. Now, if he decided to abandon faith and was happy, I wouldn't say a word. But if he decides to spew bile all over I will point out he is going too far. There have been many posters that claimed they left all faith that I haven't said a word to. If they seem happy in their choice, I don't need to say a word. I see the OP as an injured animal lashing out at everyone and everything. He is hurt. At some point he has to move past the angry lashing out and get to the source of the problem. The source of that problem isn't a belief, or lackthereof in God.
 

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ZealousZeal said:
JamesR said:
I am going to love everyone and urge everyone to indulge in their passions.
Ah. "How quick come the reasons for approving what we like!"
It's everyone's game. James is just not being so sophisticated.
 

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orthonorm said:
ZealousZeal said:
JamesR said:
I am going to love everyone and urge everyone to indulge in their passions.
Ah. "How quick come the reasons for approving what we like!"
It's everyone's game. James is just not being so sophisticated.
Comme tu dis.
 

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Achronos said:
I don't have any words.

May you find peace and happiness in whatever you decide to do, JamesR. If you need someone to talk to, please don't hesitate to PM me.
Reply #1
 

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Gebre Menfes Kidus said:
I do not judge you, nor do your words make me angry. I cannot help but to believe that those who so honestly and boldly express their displeasure with God are actually quite near to Him. In spite of your advice that I not pray for you, I will pray my unworthy prayers nonetheless.

"Lord have mercy."


Selam
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orthonorm said:
Green_Umbrella said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
Yes, you are the Ice Cube of your generation.

Comparing embellishments of the imagined vicissitudes of one life of suffering to another sounds pretty much like the raison d'etre of poverty pr0n.

Take this to private and I'll give you some material to inspire your enterprise.
A very generous offer but I see all the material I need on a daily basis. As in right now, in this moment.  

I asked you a question about running water, why did not you answer? I will ask you another. I can pick up a stone from my current location and hit a family living without electricity and running water in a home they made from garbage. Well, let us see. It looks like they might have an illegal connection they set up for themselves. That is the norm you know. How about you, let us hear it.

My generation? What is my generation? Do you know? You do not. You have no idea. You are just blowing smoke out of your self-righteous arse. JamesR does not want help or did not you notice that. I think he made that perfectly clear. You spend your time helping people who want help. You do not waste your time on people who do not.

Excuse me ¨vicissitudes¨& ¨raison d'etre¨ Yeah, I am sure you grew up in the lap of poverty. :D  

Go get bent smart guy. You have nothing to teach me.  
 

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dzheremi said:
You are still a young man. Chances are you will go through many such revelatory eras in your life, full of their own bold, declarative statements which you will eventually think better than to hash out publicly as you've done here. I myself lived if not as an atheist, exactly, then certainly as an agnostic for about a decade after my mother passed away when I was a few years younger than you are now. I didn't understand -- well, more couldn't understand -- how a supposedly loving God could take a mother from her two not yet grown children, and what's more one who loved Him as much as my mother did. Of course, now the answer seems almost obvious (the lovers of God desire Him more than life, and He, loving them as He does, grants their wishes), but I wouldn't really get it for many years.

This isn't my way of saying "You'll grow out of it" or "You're young and dumb" or anything like that, by the way. Ours is a free faith, and you are not required to come back. I just hope that you have all the time in the world to learn the lessons you can only learn with time. I mean, not to harp on the point, but your faith status still says "just baptized", so it's not crazy to wonder if there's something to be said in waiting until you are a little less impulsive before deciding what you believe about God.

As to the passions and all that, Lord have mercy, because there but by the grace of God we would all be, and also thank God that He lets His sun shine upon us all, regardless of where we are. This might be a weird note to end on, but as 17th century Yemenite Rabbi Shalom Shabazi put it, even if the gates of the wealthy are closed, the gates of heaven will never be closed. Something to think about in this life, at least.

Be well.
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Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) said:
In trying to figure out why, I am torn between adolescence and the Evil One as the culprit. May be both. In any case, I do not think that this JamersR is the last word because I remember another JamesR before and he will come back in due course. In the meantime, I pray that the following petitions reawaken in JamesR's soul and effect his return:

"An angel of peace, a faithful guide, a guardian of our souls and
bodies, let us ask of the Lord.

Pardon and forgiveness of our sins and transgressions, let us ask of
the Lord.

All things good and profitable for our souls and peace for the world,
let us ask of the Lord.

That we may complete the remaining time of our life in peace and
repentance, let us ask of the Lord.

A Christian ending to our life, painless, blameless, peaceful and a
good defense before the fearful judgment seat of Christ, let us ask."

Grant this O Lord and have mercy on your servant James, receive him back as the father received his prodigal son and forgive him as You forgave the good thief.
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Seriously what is with all the hubris you people exhibit. It's nauseating. Is it really too much to ask to be there for someone instead of patronizing?

If I was JamesR and I read some of the comments here, I would never come back. Just saying.

"Christianity doesn't deserve people like you", that makes my blood boil.
 

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Green_Umbrella said:
You spend your time helping people who want help. You do not waste your time on people who do not.

Excuse me ¨vicissitudes¨& ¨raison d'etre¨ Yeah, I am sure you grew up in the lap of poverty. :D  

Go get bent smart guy. You have nothing to teach me.  

$5 words don't mean you don't know what poverty is. Orthonorm is a great guy, and he genuinely cares. While it may appear I agree with you Green Umbrella in my postings on this thread, I don't. 
 

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Some good stuff after reply #12, but really, after the spirit of those words, what else is there to say, other than to agree. And let's be honest, it ain't like I am BFFs with Gebre, Jeremy, or Second. But those are sound and clear responses. Perhaps with a little rebuke from my beloved Schultzie.

And perhaps some good humored, "I told you so". But really, dissecting someone's else life is a bit much in light of so little information.
 

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Achronos said:
Seriously what is with all the hubris you people exhibit. It's nauseating. Is it really too much to ask to be there for someone instead of patronizing?

If I was JamesR and I read some of the comments here, I would never come back. Just saying.

"Christianity doesn't deserve people like you", that makes my blood boil.
Right, and ¨I hate God with a burning passion¨ did not. Go figure.
 

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Excuse me ¨vicissitudes¨& ¨raison d'etre¨ Yeah, I am sure you grew up in the lap of poverty. :D   
More poverty pr0n. You don't like the casting. Poor folks can't be educated.
 

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Let's all just pray that James will find his way back to God and the Church.

Lord have mercy!
 

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I honestly don't think this is just about finding his way back to God and the church. The church is a hospital for the sick, so obviously it will help. But there is some pain and anger here that has to do with more than just God.

I meant it when I said it; I really do hope he can find some happiness. The rage he is obviously having isn't healthy for anyone.


I would say that I hope he doesn't partake in communion in his current state.
 

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Green_Umbrella said:
Achronos said:
Seriously what is with all the hubris you people exhibit. It's nauseating. Is it really too much to ask to be there for someone instead of patronizing?

If I was JamesR and I read some of the comments here, I would never come back. Just saying.

"Christianity doesn't deserve people like you", that makes my blood boil.
Right, and ¨I hate God with a burning passion¨ did not. Go figure.
I seem to recall Fr. Seraphim Rose saying that those angry at God are those trying their hardest to grasp Him. Or something like that, it's in his Nihilsm book.
 

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orthonorm said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
Indeed, those trying to help him are guilty of hubris, thinking that their reasoning is capable of reaching the mind of an adolescent mid-tantrum.  If what Quinault has said to him hasn't snapped him out of it then perhaps a stint in the French Foreign Legion or the Marine Corps would do him well.  Something to teach him some maturity and discipline.
As long as you know him.

Give him your number and get to know him a little better. Perhaps you already have. I mean you've done it for others in times of stress? Right?

Yeah, discipline . . .
Indeed and have benefited from it as well.  I have sent him a PM and he is free to get a hold of me however he prefers.
So in other words, without knowing much about a person you parse out advice based on some seemingly incendiary posts. Posts which to anyone with a little compassion, experience, insight, and perhaps knowing the person a little better than just from what they post here would understand much more lies beneath.

So, hubris and lack of "knowledge" so celebrated here..

You, Quinault, and company and deal out your "tough love" with whatever projections you must exercise in the world, but know that at least one person here sees it for what it is.

I don't mean this list to be exhaustive, but Gebre, Second Chance (sorry Karl, still trying), quietmorning and the like offer a little room for the possibility more might be at stake and whatever their projections might be, they come from the heart and offer a little bit of caring that might actually be taken for what it is.
Well, I sent him a PM.  If he has something to say in a manner that doesn't come off as a whiny little brat then let him say it.  You are right, some people do need kindness and compassion.  Sometimes that is all they need to unscrew themselves.  Other times...

http://www.legion-recrute.com/en/

Whatever your origins, nationality or religion might be, whatever qualifications you may or may not have, whatever your social or professional status might be, whether you are married or single, the French Foreign Legion offers you a chance to start a new life...
 

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Green_Umbrella said:
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Seriously what is with all the hubris you people exhibit. It's nauseating. Is it really too much to ask to be there for someone instead of patronizing?

If I was JamesR and I read some of the comments here, I would never come back. Just saying.

"Christianity doesn't deserve people like you", that makes my blood boil.
Right, and ¨I hate God with a burning passion¨ did not. Go figure.
God doesn't need us to defend him. Moreso, the OP knows exactly what he is doing. Hatred of God does nothing lasting to God. But it does damage us. The reaction that we "don't need Christians like you" is just awful. In your zeal to "defend" God you have forgotten that God indeed made man in His image.
 

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Green_Umbrella said:
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I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
Yes, you are the Ice Cube of your generation.

Comparing embellishments of the imagined vicissitudes of one life of suffering to another sounds pretty much like the raison d'etre of poverty pr0n.

Take this to private and I'll give you some material to inspire your enterprise.
A very generous offer but I see all the material I need on a daily basis. As in right now, in this moment.  

I asked you a question about running water, why did not you answer? I will ask you another. I can pick up a stone from my current location and hit a family living without electricity and running water in a home they made from garbage. Well, let us see. It looks like they might have an illegal connection they set up for themselves. That is the norm you know. How about you, let us hear it.

My generation? What is my generation? Do you know? You do not. You have no idea. You are just blowing smoke out of your self-righteous arse. JamesR does not want help or did not you notice that. I think he made that perfectly clear. You spend your time helping people who want help. You do not waste your time on people who do not.

Excuse me ¨vicissitudes¨& ¨raison d'etre¨ Yeah, I am sure you grew up in the lap of poverty. :D  

Go get bent smart guy. You have nothing to teach me.  
You might consider toning down on the anger.  Be careful when fighting monsters lest you become one, yo.
 

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JamesR said:
I am not saying that others do not have it worse than me. But that your whole notion of 'making the best' of it and/or 'being thankful' is rather stupid to be quite frank.
When the young Siddhartha first ventured out of the security of his childhood, he discovered that much like in a really bad Film Noir movie, that the world is a sorry place, and even the best of it can be discouraging.  However, this only led him to understand the revelation of the First Noble Truth, that life is suffering.  There is nothing else to say about the matter, and Christianity inherently agrees.  We then through fasting, through prayer, through a lifetime cultivating a relationship with God, do not learn the magic words to make suffering go away, rather, we learn by God's Grace to with Christian dignity embrace our fates.

who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.
Hebrews 5


Please always keep in mind, when you are in the depths of your pain, God is suffering too.  All those things in the world that make us suffer, God suffers them with us.
Neither I nor the other people suffering worsely should have to 'be thankful' or 'make the best' of evil in the first place because God should not allow us to endure the evil at all. Every act of suffering in the world is because of God. He could stop it all right now if He wished but He does not. Humans deserve better. I deserve better.
Maybe you do, maybe you don't, but however you slice that cake, our reality remains the same.  The life you have is the only life you are going to get it, flaws and all.  You can't change that, period.  The suffering that we endure is so largely out of our hands, that its literally childish to pretend we can avoid it.  Further, young children tend to accept this so much better than we do, just go volunteer in the LA Country Children's Court, where the kids have been sexually and physically abused or neglect, and yet they are playing, laughing, having sincere fun playing with each other in the waiting room, meanwhile just about every single adult in the room is dejected, depressed, and in burdensome tears.  Maybe we can learn from the example of children, and bear our fates with a bit more joy realizing life is what we got, and its all we got, so we're best to enjoy it as best we can regardless of the circumstances.  

Quit kissing God's behind and instead demand the justice you deserve from Him. Satan is a true martyr because He recognized this fact and stood up against God, even giving up his glory and spot in Heaven, just because it was the right thing to do. And going further, he even further risked his life by enlightening us at the 'fall' despite knowing that God would probably punish him.
No, Satan is the entire source of suffering in the first place.  He is so miserable from his own dejection by God, that he wants to make us all as miserable as he is, so he reminds us and accuses us and tortures our imaginations with all the self-defeating "what-ifs"?  Simply put my young brother, that life is life, as we say around the hood, "It is what it is."  We Fell, not God.  Life is what it is.  The question now is what can we make of it? You are a young man, but you are becoming a man.  As a man, your life is what you make it.  If you want to be miserable and accusative, then so be it.  But all that rage will not fulfill you, it will consume you.  Adults become wise enough by experience to pick their battles and celebrate their victories no matter how small in scale.  Every little bit counts, every day we move the ball a little further down the field, and why the defense has a horrifying blitz, if we still play the game with poise and dignity and give it our sheer best, we just might score that winning touch down and enjoy the game :)

I am praying for you and us all.

stay blessed,
habte selassie
 

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You guys got me. quitmorning's last post really spoke to me. I guess I will at least try to come back to the faith and heal myself. But the fact remains that I still have so many questions. Everyone just keeps telling me how to deal with suffering and while it is all good advice, my scholastic side is still demaning an answer as to why God allows it in the first place. I'm afraid I cannot get myself to follow any of that advice until I know the answer because my entire perception of whp God is is based on what that answer will be.

What comes after anger? I do not know. Where do I go from here? I'm scared of God now that I cursed Him and I feel like if I prayed to Him I would just be lying to Him and to myself because I would not really feel it or care. And unfortunately I committed a great sin by Communing last Sunday in this state because I thought that maybe it would 'motivate me to find righteousness'.
 

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HabteSelassie said:
Maybe you do, maybe you don't, but however you slice that cake, our reality remains the same.  The life you have is the only life you are going to get it, flaws and all.  You can't change that, period.  The suffering that we endure is so largely out of our hands, that its literally childish to pretend we can avoid it.  Further, young children tend to accept this so much better than we do, just go volunteer in the LA Country Children's Court, where the kids have been sexually and physically abused or neglect, and yet they are playing, laughing, having sincere fun playing with each other in the waiting room, meanwhile just about every single adult in the room is dejected, depressed, and in burdensome tears.  Maybe we can learn from the example of children, and bear our fates with a bit more joy realizing life is what we got, and its all we got, so we're best to enjoy it as best we can regardless of the circumstances

Quit kissing God's behind and instead demand the justice you deserve from Him. Satan is a true martyr because He recognized this fact and stood up against God, even giving up his glory and spot in Heaven, just because it was the right thing to do. And going further, he even further risked his life by enlightening us at the 'fall' despite knowing that God would probably punish him.
No, Satan is the entire source of suffering in the first place.  He is so miserable from his own dejection by God, that he wants to make us all as miserable as he is, so he reminds us and accuses us and tortures our imaginations with all the self-defeating "what-ifs"?  Simply put my young brother, that life is life, as we say around the hood, "It is what it is."  We Fell, not God.  Life is what it is.  The question now is what can we make of it? You are a young man, but you are becoming a man.  As a man, your life is what you make it.  If you want to be miserable and accusative, then so be it.  But all that rage will not fulfill you, it will consume you.  Adults become wise enough by experience to pick their battles and celebrate their victories no matter how small in scale.  Every little bit counts, every day we move the ball a little further down the field, and why the defense has a horrifying blitz, if we still play the game with poise and dignity and give it our sheer best, we just might score that winning touch down and enjoy the game :)

I am praying for you and us all.

stay blessed,
habte selassie
This is precisely what I meant to get at. Maybe sleep deprivation kept me from making it clearer.
 

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JamesR said:
You guys got me. quitmorning's last post really spoke to me. I guess I will at least try to come back to the faith and heal myself. But the fact remains that I still have so many questions. Everyone just keeps telling me how to deal with suffering and while it is all good advice, my scholastic side is still demaning an answer as to why God allows it in the first place. I'm afraid I cannot get myself to follow any of that advice until I know the answer because my entire perception of whp God is is based on what that answer will be.

What comes after anger? I do not know. Where do I go from here? I'm scared of God now that I cursed Him and I feel like if I prayed to Him I would just be lying to Him and to myself because I would not really feel it or care. And unfortunately I committed a great sin by Communing last Sunday in this state because I thought that maybe it would 'motivate me to find righteousness'.

:)

James, He's running to you and wrapping His arms around you.  You took communion in that state.  . . He entered into you through communion to heal you.  THAT'S how MUCH He loves you.
 

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JamesR said:
You guys got me. quitmorning's last post really spoke to me. I guess I will at least try to come back to the faith and heal myself. But the fact remains that I still have so many questions. Everyone just keeps telling me how to deal with suffering and while it is all good advice, my scholastic side is still demaning an answer as to why God allows it in the first place. I'm afraid I cannot get myself to follow any of that advice until I know the answer because my entire perception of whp God is is based on what that answer will be.

What comes after anger? I do not know. Where do I go from here? I'm scared of God now that I cursed Him and I feel like if I prayed to Him I would just be lying to Him and to myself because I would not really feel it or care. And unfortunately I committed a great sin by Communing last Sunday in this state because I thought that maybe it would 'motivate me to find righteousness'.
Δόξα τῷ Θεῷ πάντων ἕνεκεν! Glory be to God for all things!
 

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Quinault said:
But really, running water isn't the best method of determining quality of life. My little factoid: I grew up where <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/us/native-americans-struggle-with-high-rate-of-rape.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www">1 in 3 women is sexually assaulted. </a> That number is likely higher since natives tend to cover it up. The US isn't a perfect model of clean and ethical living.
Hate to burst the bubble, but over their lifetime one in four American women will have been raped, molested, or sexually assaulted.  This is not a cultural thing, this is seemingly a universal problem. Yes, at the moment is is perhaps the most worse in the Democratic Republic of Congo, but that is because of lawlessness, not a more rape-prone culture.  The sad reality is that we as men need to step up to the plate in ALL of our societies to better protect the women in our lives from ourselves :(

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JamesR has made himself the biggest Rorschach blot around.
About time out of your pages and pages of self-aggrandizing pseudo-gibberish you finally put out a true jewel of wisdom here.  Maybe you should concentrate all your efforts on valuable insights like this, and avoid getting caught up in your own version of the Maury Povich show which consists of approximately 68% of what you've been posting lately :laugh:




Now that James has cleared his head a bit, can we all stop having a pity party peeing contest over here ;)


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It doesn't burst any bubble. It doesn't change the fact that rape simply doesn't get prosecuted in indian country. My point was that life is difficult even in the US.
 

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JamesR said:
You guys got me. quitmorning's last post really spoke to me. I guess I will at least try to come back to the faith and heal myself. But the fact remains that I still have so many questions. Everyone just keeps telling me how to deal with suffering and while it is all good advice, my scholastic side is still demaning an answer as to why God allows it in the first place. I'm afraid I cannot get myself to follow any of that advice until I know the answer because my entire perception of whp God is is based on what that answer will be.
James, perhaps like young Siddhartha you have yet you be hurt by your love, so your love is pure and innocent. Simply put, GOD WAS HURT BY HIS LOVE.  He loves Satan, look where that God Him! He loves us, and the world is a terribly mess indeed!  Human beings out the depth and wisdom and experience of love, learn one of the joys of life is to love and forgive other people who have wronged us.  God loves the world so much, that He allows out of His kindness and mercy suffering.  What if God were to suddenly and instantly judge all evil? You and me both would be swept up into an eternity of even more sorrow then our temporal griefs here on Earth.  GOD LOVES THE WORLD, AND HE ALLOWS EVIL TO EXIST BECAUSE HE LOVES EVIL TOO!  When you realize from the depth of your own love, to be forced by it to forgive another person who has hurt you, then you will finally empathize and understand where God is coming from, and WHY God forgives even the most despicable evil.  The just have no need for the physician, but the those who are sick.  The world is a sick place, we have to learn to love suffering as much as rejoicing, because that is God's fate, and we are not greater or lesser than God in this regard.

stay blessed,
habte selassie
 
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