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orthonorm said:
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I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
Indeed, those trying to help him are guilty of hubris, thinking that their reasoning is capable of reaching the mind of an adolescent mid-tantrum.  If what Quinault has said to him hasn't snapped him out of it then perhaps a stint in the French Foreign Legion or the Marine Corps would do him well.  Something to teach him some maturity and discipline.
 

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Thanks quietmorning. Yours is a caring and sensible voice as always.
 

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orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
 

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vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
Indeed, those trying to help him are guilty of hubris, thinking that their reasoning is capable of reaching the mind of an adolescent mid-tantrum.  If what Quinault has said to him hasn't snapped him out of it then perhaps a stint in the French Foreign Legion or the Marine Corps would do him well.  Something to teach him some maturity and discipline.
As long as you know him.

Give him your number and get to know him a little better. Perhaps you already have. I mean you've done it for others in times of stress? Right?

Yeah, discipline . . .

 

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Green_Umbrella said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
Yikes!
Where do you live?
 

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Green_Umbrella said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
Yes, you are the Ice Cube of your generation.

Comparing embellishments of the imagined vicissitudes of one life of suffering to another sounds pretty much like the raison d'etre of poverty pr0n.

Take this to private and I'll give you some material to inspire your enterprise.
 

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Ansgar said:
Green_Umbrella said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
Yikes!
Where do you live?
Probably my neighbor.
 

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He could live on an american indian reservation. But if it is only 25% of the population without running water, it is one of the nicer ones.
 

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orthonorm said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
Indeed, those trying to help him are guilty of hubris, thinking that their reasoning is capable of reaching the mind of an adolescent mid-tantrum.  If what Quinault has said to him hasn't snapped him out of it then perhaps a stint in the French Foreign Legion or the Marine Corps would do him well.  Something to teach him some maturity and discipline.
As long as you know him.

Give him your number and get to know him a little better. Perhaps you already have. I mean you've done it for others in times of stress? Right?

Yeah, discipline . . .
Indeed and have benefited from it as well.  I have sent him a PM and he is free to get a hold of me however he prefers.
 

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But really, running water isn't the best method of determining quality of life. My little factoid: I grew up where <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/us/native-americans-struggle-with-high-rate-of-rape.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www">1 in 3 women is sexually assaulted. </a> That number is likely higher since natives tend to cover it up. The US isn't a perfect model of clean and ethical living.


You know, I do actually understand where the OP is coming from. I have been angry with God like that. But the last thing I needed was someone that just petted my head, told me I was so deep, and let me continue to spew bile. There is a point in life where you have to put on your big girl pants and make due with what you have. This is an issue of personal character moreso than faith. The anger with God is a symptom of a greater problem. Hopefully he will work past those issues. But no amount of coddling will help him. If wanted my number, he can ask and I will give it to him. But don't expect me to pet your head and tell you how brilliant you are. You aren't the first to notice that life often sucks, and you won't be the last.
 

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JamesR has made himself the biggest Rorschach blot around.
 

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vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
Indeed, those trying to help him are guilty of hubris, thinking that their reasoning is capable of reaching the mind of an adolescent mid-tantrum.  If what Quinault has said to him hasn't snapped him out of it then perhaps a stint in the French Foreign Legion or the Marine Corps would do him well.  Something to teach him some maturity and discipline.
As long as you know him.

Give him your number and get to know him a little better. Perhaps you already have. I mean you've done it for others in times of stress? Right?

Yeah, discipline . . .
Indeed and have benefited from it as well.  I have sent him a PM and he is free to get a hold of me however he prefers.
So in other words, without knowing much about a person you parse out advice based on some seemingly incendiary posts. Posts which to anyone with a little compassion, experience, insight, and perhaps knowing the person a little better than just from what they post here would understand much more lies beneath.

So, hubris and lack of "knowledge" so celebrated here..

You, Quinault, and company and deal out your "tough love" with whatever projections you must exercise in the world, but know that at least one person here sees it for what it is.

I don't mean this list to be exhaustive, but Gebre, Second Chance (sorry Karl, still trying), quietmorning and the like offer a little room for the possibility more might be at stake and whatever their projections might be, they come from the heart and offer a little bit of caring that might actually be taken for what it is.
 

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JamesR said:
I am going to love everyone and urge everyone to indulge in their passions.
Ah. "How quick come the reasons for approving what we like!"
 

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My point is, that the OP is not happy. He wants to claim that being without (and honestly opposed to) God will give him happiness. Everyone that believes in God is a sheeple and he is the only smart one. Now, if he decided to abandon faith and was happy, I wouldn't say a word. But if he decides to spew bile all over I will point out he is going too far. There have been many posters that claimed they left all faith that I haven't said a word to. If they seem happy in their choice, I don't need to say a word. I see the OP as an injured animal lashing out at everyone and everything. He is hurt. At some point he has to move past the angry lashing out and get to the source of the problem. The source of that problem isn't a belief, or lackthereof in God.
 

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ZealousZeal said:
JamesR said:
I am going to love everyone and urge everyone to indulge in their passions.
Ah. "How quick come the reasons for approving what we like!"
It's everyone's game. James is just not being so sophisticated.
 

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orthonorm said:
ZealousZeal said:
JamesR said:
I am going to love everyone and urge everyone to indulge in their passions.
Ah. "How quick come the reasons for approving what we like!"
It's everyone's game. James is just not being so sophisticated.
Comme tu dis.
 

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Achronos said:
I don't have any words.

May you find peace and happiness in whatever you decide to do, JamesR. If you need someone to talk to, please don't hesitate to PM me.
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Gebre Menfes Kidus said:
I do not judge you, nor do your words make me angry. I cannot help but to believe that those who so honestly and boldly express their displeasure with God are actually quite near to Him. In spite of your advice that I not pray for you, I will pray my unworthy prayers nonetheless.

"Lord have mercy."


Selam
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orthonorm said:
Green_Umbrella said:
orthonorm said:
NightOwl said:
LBK said:
JamesR said:
I was the brightest student in all the classes, my Priest even urged me to come sometimes just because he said that having me in the class would benefit the other teens. Yet even with my knowledge I have turned my back on God. I won't worship the deadbeat father responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Hubris, pure and simple.
Yeah and I think this thread is feeding it. Probably should've left it locked.
I read more hubris from those trying to "help" James than from James himself.

For all their "knowledge" they don't seem too great at helping others. Wonder, if they have even spoken to him.

But hey, we at least found out one of the newer members here can write poverty pr0n.
I write about everyday life experience, not poverty porn. Where I live 25% of the population does not have clean running water. How about where you live?
Yes, you are the Ice Cube of your generation.

Comparing embellishments of the imagined vicissitudes of one life of suffering to another sounds pretty much like the raison d'etre of poverty pr0n.

Take this to private and I'll give you some material to inspire your enterprise.
A very generous offer but I see all the material I need on a daily basis. As in right now, in this moment.  

I asked you a question about running water, why did not you answer? I will ask you another. I can pick up a stone from my current location and hit a family living without electricity and running water in a home they made from garbage. Well, let us see. It looks like they might have an illegal connection they set up for themselves. That is the norm you know. How about you, let us hear it.

My generation? What is my generation? Do you know? You do not. You have no idea. You are just blowing smoke out of your self-righteous arse. JamesR does not want help or did not you notice that. I think he made that perfectly clear. You spend your time helping people who want help. You do not waste your time on people who do not.

Excuse me ¨vicissitudes¨& ¨raison d'etre¨ Yeah, I am sure you grew up in the lap of poverty. :D  

Go get bent smart guy. You have nothing to teach me.  
 

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dzheremi said:
You are still a young man. Chances are you will go through many such revelatory eras in your life, full of their own bold, declarative statements which you will eventually think better than to hash out publicly as you've done here. I myself lived if not as an atheist, exactly, then certainly as an agnostic for about a decade after my mother passed away when I was a few years younger than you are now. I didn't understand -- well, more couldn't understand -- how a supposedly loving God could take a mother from her two not yet grown children, and what's more one who loved Him as much as my mother did. Of course, now the answer seems almost obvious (the lovers of God desire Him more than life, and He, loving them as He does, grants their wishes), but I wouldn't really get it for many years.

This isn't my way of saying "You'll grow out of it" or "You're young and dumb" or anything like that, by the way. Ours is a free faith, and you are not required to come back. I just hope that you have all the time in the world to learn the lessons you can only learn with time. I mean, not to harp on the point, but your faith status still says "just baptized", so it's not crazy to wonder if there's something to be said in waiting until you are a little less impulsive before deciding what you believe about God.

As to the passions and all that, Lord have mercy, because there but by the grace of God we would all be, and also thank God that He lets His sun shine upon us all, regardless of where we are. This might be a weird note to end on, but as 17th century Yemenite Rabbi Shalom Shabazi put it, even if the gates of the wealthy are closed, the gates of heaven will never be closed. Something to think about in this life, at least.

Be well.
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