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I feel bad that the Protestants don't have the Theotokos.

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1. "As noted in Orthodox biblical commentary, when Jesus addressed Mary as “woman” he is in fact using a unique scriptural title imparting respect, affection, dignity, and distinction."

I wonder what scriptural examples there are which show that addressing someone as "woman" was imparting respect, affection, dignity, and distinction to that person?
 

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I wonder what scriptural examples there are which show that addressing someone as "woman" was imparting respect, affection, dignity, and distinction to that person?
You could (should?) try reading and searching through Holy Scripture and patristic commentaries for the answer to you question.

Also, I've heard/read that a proper understanding of Holy Scripture requires some understanding and knowledge of the historical, spiritual, linguistic, and cultural contexts in which it was written, only some of which is revealed in Holy Scripture itself. Remember, the Bible doesn't always explain itself.

To call someone "woman" today, depending on language, culture, etc, and especially the tone of voice and context in which it is being said can impart a meaning totally different from what Our Lord, Jesus Christ meant when he addressed His mother, the Theotokos, as "woman".
 

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There are other apocryphal texts which mention the birthgiving and the fact that she stayed ever-virgin with further details.
I think that this is endorsed some place in patristics. But especially I am trying to see: is this a or the meaning of her beeing called "ever virgin" in Orthodoxy? I remember the topic coming up elsewhere on the forum, but I can't find the reference now.
 

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J Michael,
re: "To call someone 'woman' today..."

Forget about today, were talking about 2000 years ago Israel. What examples are there from that time where addressing someone as "woman" was no question about it imparting respect, affection, dignity, and distinction to that person?


re: "You could (should?) try reading and searching through Holy Scripture and patristic commentaries for the answer to you question."

I'm curious, but I'm not that curious to wade through a multitude of commentaries. Irened is the one who provided the comment. It behooves her to support it with examples.


BTW, when Mary told the Messiah that the wine had run out, He replied, " Woman, what have I to do with you? My hour is not yet come." Does that seem to be imparting respect, affection, and dignity to you?
 

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Charles Ellicott, the Anglican bishop and commentator, says:

It may be hoped that the day is now past, when anything other than thoughts of reverence and honour is to be connected with the title “Woman,” least of all in the words of One who claimed as His own highest dignity Sonship of, identity with, humanity; and who was here addressing the mother to whom He had been subject, and from whom His own humanity had been derived. Were proof needed of the tenderness which underlies the word as used by Him, it would be found in the other instances which the Gospels supply. . It is spoken only to the Syro-Phœnician whose faith is great (Matthew 15:28); to the daughter of Abraham loosed from her infirmity (Luke 13:12); and, in this Gospel, to the Samaritan embracing the higher faith (John 4:21); perhaps to the sinner whom He does not condemn (John 8:10); to the same mother from the cross (John 19:26); and to Mary Magdalene in tears (John 20:13; John 20:15).
 

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BTW, when Mary told the Messiah that the wine had run out, He replied, " Woman, what have I to do with you? My hour is not yet come." Does that seem to be imparting respect, affection, and dignity to you?
Yes.

And RaphaCam above gave you your answer. If you are still curious, then perhaps it behooves you to further research the matter yourself.
 

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And RaphaCam above gave you your answer. If you are still curious, then perhaps it behooves you to further research the matter yourself.
He definitely could do it, but maybe the idea is badgering the forum with questions he believes to be too smart for us. It took me literally one or two minutes in Google while I was having breakfast.
 

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BTW, when Mary told the Messiah that the wine had run out, He replied, " Woman, what have I to do with you? My hour is not yet come." Does that seem to be imparting respect, affection, and dignity to you?
I’ve seen people argue (I forget where) that the Blessed mother’s intercession is powerful and the proof is in this verse. It wasn’t Jesus time yet, yet he started his ministry anyway specifically because his mother asked him.
 
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