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JamesRottnek said:
now have a job.
Your subject is close to a stroke of genius.

Maria's advice is worthwhile following. Her heart is in the right place.
 

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will lose said job within eight weeks. At least that is going over / under.

My condolences by the way.

The only thing worse than looking for a job is finding one.
 

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I was looking for a job and then I found a job, and heaven knows I'm miserable now.
 

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will lose said job within eight weeks. At least that is going over / under.

My condolences by the way.

The only thing worse than looking for a job is finding one.
You cannot imagine the laughter arising from this post.
 

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HRC

Human Rights Campaign?
Hunting Retriever Club?
Honda Worldwide Corporation?


By the way...congratulations on the new job!!!

Don't let these naysayers get you down.

Thank God you have employment! 


 

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HRC

Human Rights Campaign?
Hunting Retriever Club?
Honda Worldwide Corporation?


By the way...congratulations on the new job!!!

Don't let these naysayers get you down.

Thank God you have employment! 
You might change your mind once you know what it is.

Human Rights Campaign: Working for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Equal Rights.

http://www.hrc.org/

You can even get a lectionary to learn about why LGBTQ are God's chosen.

A sample:

The exiled Israelites addressed in Isaiah 49 apparently had reasons for worrying about their
future as well. Indeed, verse 14 indicates that they felt “forsaken” and “forgotten” by God. Yet
the author of Isaiah 49 responds to such despair by “transgendering” Israel’s deity. Although
God is most often represented as a male deity in the Hebrew Bible, the prophet here
characterizes God as a compassionate mother who cares for the child that she nurses (verse 15).
Even if mothers do occasionally forget their children, the prophet continues, God will never
forget the Israelites. The message of this gender bending oracle is therefore one of hope and
encouragement.
http://www.hrc.org/files/images/outinscripture/OutinScripture_Ordinary_YearA.pdf

Mazel Tov!
 

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Today my goal was to raise $180 for the HRC; I raised $604.
How many rocks were thrown at you?

What's with kids these days?
 

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orthonorm said:
LizaSymonenko said:
HRC

Human Rights Campaign?
Hunting Retriever Club?
Honda Worldwide Corporation?


By the way...congratulations on the new job!!!

Don't let these naysayers get you down.

Thank God you have employment! 
You might change your mind once you know what it is.

Human Rights Campaign: Working for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Equal Rights.

http://www.hrc.org/

You can even get a lectionary to learn about why LGBTQ are God's chosen.

A sample:

The exiled Israelites addressed in Isaiah 49 apparently had reasons for worrying about their
future as well. Indeed, verse 14 indicates that they felt “forsaken” and “forgotten” by God. Yet
the author of Isaiah 49 responds to such despair by “transgendering” Israel’s deity. Although
God is most often represented as a male deity in the Hebrew Bible, the prophet here
characterizes God as a compassionate mother who cares for the child that she nurses (verse 15).
Even if mothers do occasionally forget their children, the prophet continues, God will never
forget the Israelites. The message of this gender bending oracle is therefore one of hope and
encouragement.
http://www.hrc.org/files/images/outinscripture/OutinScripture_Ordinary_YearA.pdf

Mazel Tov!
Seriously?

THAT's his job?

Really, James?

OMGosh....flipping burgers at McD's would be better.

Lord, have mercy!!!

Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.
(Isaiah 5:20)

 

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orthonorm said:
JamesRottnek said:
Today my goal was to raise $180 for the HRC; I raised $604.
How many rocks were thrown at you?

What's with kids these days?
Surprisingly none, but I do have a great story to tell you later.
 

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LizaSymonenko said:
orthonorm said:
LizaSymonenko said:
HRC

Human Rights Campaign?
Hunting Retriever Club?
Honda Worldwide Corporation?


By the way...congratulations on the new job!!!

Don't let these naysayers get you down.

Thank God you have employment! 
You might change your mind once you know what it is.

Human Rights Campaign: Working for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Equal Rights.

http://www.hrc.org/

You can even get a lectionary to learn about why LGBTQ are God's chosen.

A sample:

The exiled Israelites addressed in Isaiah 49 apparently had reasons for worrying about their
future as well. Indeed, verse 14 indicates that they felt “forsaken” and “forgotten” by God. Yet
the author of Isaiah 49 responds to such despair by “transgendering” Israel’s deity. Although
God is most often represented as a male deity in the Hebrew Bible, the prophet here
characterizes God as a compassionate mother who cares for the child that she nurses (verse 15).
Even if mothers do occasionally forget their children, the prophet continues, God will never
forget the Israelites. The message of this gender bending oracle is therefore one of hope and
encouragement.
http://www.hrc.org/files/images/outinscripture/OutinScripture_Ordinary_YearA.pdf

Mazel Tov!
Seriously?

THAT's his job?

Really, James?

OMGosh....flipping burgers at McD's would be better.

Lord, have mercy!!!

Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.
(Isaiah 5:20)
Yes...because ending employment discrimination is a vile thing to do...
 

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This is an eye...



Congratulations on the new job.
 

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I would find it more offensive if James worked at McDonalds and made America even more obese.
 

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Achronos said:
I would find it more offensive if James worked at McDonalds and made America even more obese.
Working at McDonalds makes people fat like working at Honda cuts grass.  It doesn't.
 

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I approve of this job. I also approve of McDonalds. 8)
 

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Burger king is far worse.
Yeah their "new" fries are amazingly worse than their prior ones which were awful.

They've gone downhill in terms of burgers too.
 

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Kerdy said:
Achronos said:
I would find it more offensive if James worked at McDonalds and made America even more obese.
Working at McDonalds makes people fat like working at Honda cuts grass.  It doesn't.
Analogy fail.
Only if spoons also make people fat.
 

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JamesRottnek said:
LizaSymonenko said:
orthonorm said:
LizaSymonenko said:
HRC

Human Rights Campaign?
Hunting Retriever Club?
Honda Worldwide Corporation?


By the way...congratulations on the new job!!!

Don't let these naysayers get you down.

Thank God you have employment!  
You might change your mind once you know what it is.

Human Rights Campaign: Working for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Equal Rights.

http://www.hrc.org/

You can even get a lectionary to learn about why LGBTQ are God's chosen.

A sample:

The exiled Israelites addressed in Isaiah 49 apparently had reasons for worrying about their
future as well. Indeed, verse 14 indicates that they felt “forsaken” and “forgotten” by God. Yet
the author of Isaiah 49 responds to such despair by “transgendering” Israel’s deity. Although
God is most often represented as a male deity in the Hebrew Bible, the prophet here
characterizes God as a compassionate mother who cares for the child that she nurses (verse 15).
Even if mothers do occasionally forget their children, the prophet continues, God will never
forget the Israelites. The message of this gender bending oracle is therefore one of hope and
encouragement.
http://www.hrc.org/files/images/outinscripture/OutinScripture_Ordinary_YearA.pdf

Mazel Tov!
Seriously?

THAT's his job?

Really, James?

OMGosh....flipping burgers at McD's would be better.

Lord, have mercy!!!

Woe to those who call evil good
   and good evil,
who put darkness for light
   and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
   and sweet for bitter.
(Isaiah 5:20)
Yes...because ending employment discrimination is a vile thing to do...
::)

And promoting collective approval of sin is a good thing?

I would be more than happy to congratulate you on your employment, but I have the same problem if someone told me they were hired at a brothel.
 

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Kerdy said:
JamesRottnek said:
LizaSymonenko said:
orthonorm said:
LizaSymonenko said:
HRC

Human Rights Campaign?
Hunting Retriever Club?
Honda Worldwide Corporation?


By the way...congratulations on the new job!!!

Don't let these naysayers get you down.

Thank God you have employment!  
You might change your mind once you know what it is.

Human Rights Campaign: Working for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Equal Rights.

http://www.hrc.org/

You can even get a lectionary to learn about why LGBTQ are God's chosen.

A sample:

The exiled Israelites addressed in Isaiah 49 apparently had reasons for worrying about their
future as well. Indeed, verse 14 indicates that they felt “forsaken” and “forgotten” by God. Yet
the author of Isaiah 49 responds to such despair by “transgendering” Israel’s deity. Although
God is most often represented as a male deity in the Hebrew Bible, the prophet here
characterizes God as a compassionate mother who cares for the child that she nurses (verse 15).
Even if mothers do occasionally forget their children, the prophet continues, God will never
forget the Israelites. The message of this gender bending oracle is therefore one of hope and
encouragement.
http://www.hrc.org/files/images/outinscripture/OutinScripture_Ordinary_YearA.pdf

Mazel Tov!
Seriously?

THAT's his job?

Really, James?

OMGosh....flipping burgers at McD's would be better.

Lord, have mercy!!!

Woe to those who call evil good
   and good evil,
who put darkness for light
   and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
   and sweet for bitter.
(Isaiah 5:20)
Yes...because ending employment discrimination is a vile thing to do...
::)

And promoting collective approval of sin is a good thing?

I would be more than happy to congratulate you on your employment, but I have the same problem if someone told me they were hired at a brothel.
There are worse jobs:

Any consumer product research job.
Any sales position.
Management of any kind.
Human Resources.
Life Coach.
"Teachers".
Marketing.
Public Relations.
Politician.
Almost anyone involved in "the" media.
Professional athlete.
Anyone who talks about those athletes for a living.
Industrial and graphic design.
Advertising.
Writing.
Painting.
Just lump all the arts here.
Lawyers.
Actuaries.
"Professors".

Really I should just list the jobs which are better cause everything above by far crushes more souls than what James is doing.
 

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Kerdy said:
JamesRottnek said:
LizaSymonenko said:
orthonorm said:
LizaSymonenko said:
HRC

Human Rights Campaign?
Hunting Retriever Club?
Honda Worldwide Corporation?


By the way...congratulations on the new job!!!

Don't let these naysayers get you down.

Thank God you have employment!  
You might change your mind once you know what it is.

Human Rights Campaign: Working for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Equal Rights.

http://www.hrc.org/

You can even get a lectionary to learn about why LGBTQ are God's chosen.

A sample:

The exiled Israelites addressed in Isaiah 49 apparently had reasons for worrying about their
future as well. Indeed, verse 14 indicates that they felt “forsaken” and “forgotten” by God. Yet
the author of Isaiah 49 responds to such despair by “transgendering” Israel’s deity. Although
God is most often represented as a male deity in the Hebrew Bible, the prophet here
characterizes God as a compassionate mother who cares for the child that she nurses (verse 15).
Even if mothers do occasionally forget their children, the prophet continues, God will never
forget the Israelites. The message of this gender bending oracle is therefore one of hope and
encouragement.
http://www.hrc.org/files/images/outinscripture/OutinScripture_Ordinary_YearA.pdf

Mazel Tov!
Seriously?

THAT's his job?

Really, James?

OMGosh....flipping burgers at McD's would be better.

Lord, have mercy!!!

Woe to those who call evil good
   and good evil,
who put darkness for light
   and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
   and sweet for bitter.
(Isaiah 5:20)
Yes...because ending employment discrimination is a vile thing to do...
::)

And promoting collective approval of sin is a good thing?
Read the prophets and their attacks on Israel's treatment of widows and orphans and the poor generally before you start talking about someone else "promoting collective approval of sin."
 

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I'm all for anti-discrimination...everyone who is qualified to do the job, should be allowed a chance to get the job.  Anyone who can afford to buy the house, should be given a chance to buy the house, etc.

However, I don't believe "special" groups, require "special" rights....more so than the average non-special individual.

Furthermore, equating painters, writers, etc....to promoting sin is a misnomer.  

Writers wrote the Bible....and painters created our beautiful icons.

It is what is in the heart of the person, that reflects in their creation and the job they do.

If the group exists simply to ensure that people are treated equally, that's one thing.  If the organization, however, promotes this lifestyle and wishes to "push" it on the society and make it "normal" and accepted and even embraced....then this is not good.

 

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I'm all for anti-discrimination...everyone who is qualified to do the job, should be allowed a chance to get the job.  Anyone who can afford to buy the house, should be given a chance to buy the house, etc.

However, I don't believe "special" groups, require "special" rights....more so than the average non-special individual.

Furthermore, equating painters, writers, etc....to promoting sin is a misnomer.  

Writers wrote the Bible....and painters created our beautiful icons.

It is what is in the heart of the person, that reflects in their creation and the job they do.

If the group exists simply to ensure that people are treated equally, that's one thing.  If the organization, however, promotes this lifestyle and wishes to "push" it on the society and make it "normal" and accepted and even embraced....then this is not good.
I actually do not work for HRC.  I work for another group which is presently doing canvassing for HRC; specifically, for the HRC campaign to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which will end the lawful firing of people because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.  If pregnant women should be unable to be fired simply for being pregnant (which is the case under federal law), I see no reason why the same should not be true of gay people
 

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I would agree.....however, nobody should truly know your sexual orientation at work, in the first place.

I don't run around telling everyone I am straight....and am truly offended when non-straight people feel they have to tell everyone they are gay.....and make a big show of it.

Only your close friends need to know whom you find attractive.

I also don't think it appropriate for straight men to have screen-savers of bikini clad women, nor women to have desktop images of hunky men on the beach.

Sex has no place at work. 

 

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LizaSymonenko said:
I would agree.....however, nobody should truly know your sexual orientation at work, in the first place.

I don't run around telling everyone I am straight....and am truly offended when non-straight people feel they have to tell everyone they are gay.....and make a big show of it.
This is why I dislike the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" in our military.
 

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Melodist said:
LizaSymonenko said:
I would agree.....however, nobody should truly know your sexual orientation at work, in the first place.

I don't run around telling everyone I am straight....and am truly offended when non-straight people feel they have to tell everyone they are gay.....and make a big show of it.
This is why I dislike the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" in our military.
Oh that is ridiculous.

Heterosexual people "tell" constantly from language, photos, wedding bands, etc.

Anyway, I am going to send you an email in a bit, if you account is still working. I've gotten some odd stuff from you, unless you have really taken an interest in MLM.

My main gmail account got zarked a little bit as well recently.
 

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LizaSymonenko said:
I would agree.....however, nobody should truly know your sexual orientation at work, in the first place.

I don't run around telling everyone I am straight....and am truly offended when non-straight people feel they have to tell everyone they are gay.....and make a big show of it.

Only your close friends need to know whom you find attractive.

I also don't think it appropriate for straight men to have screen-savers of bikini clad women, nor women to have desktop images of hunky men on the beach.

Sex has no place at work.  
Sex has a place everywhere. It's even in the Church.

At work do people have photos of their husbands or wives? Wear wedding rings? Use the words husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend?

This is all most gay people are talking about.

Being out means you get to say these things without repercussion from loss of employment to having to deal with a hostile work environment.

Then there are those who just seem "gay" and penalized in many ways for it. And those who seem it often are.

Often not a fun row to hoe.
 

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I've gotten some odd stuff from you
Nothing from me. I sent you text the other day if your number is still the same.
 

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orthonorm said:
There are worse jobs:

Any consumer product research job.
Any sales position.
Management of any kind.
Human Resources.
Life Coach.
"Teachers".
Marketing.
Public Relations.
Politician.
Almost anyone involved in "the" media.
Professional athlete.
Anyone who talks about those athletes for a living.
Industrial and graphic design.
Advertising.
Writing.
Painting.
Just lump all the arts here.
Lawyers.
Actuaries.
"Professors".

Really I should just list the jobs which are better cause everything above by far crushes more souls than what James is doing.
Amen to all that. Managment have crushed more souls combined than any other job.
 

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Melodist said:
orthonorm said:
I've gotten some odd stuff from you
Nothing from me. I sent you text the other day if your number is still the same.
Then your email is . . . oh forget it. I'll send it to you.
 

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JamesRottnek said:
LizaSymonenko said:
I'm all for anti-discrimination...everyone who is qualified to do the job, should be allowed a chance to get the job.  Anyone who can afford to buy the house, should be given a chance to buy the house, etc.

However, I don't believe "special" groups, require "special" rights....more so than the average non-special individual.

Furthermore, equating painters, writers, etc....to promoting sin is a misnomer.  

Writers wrote the Bible....and painters created our beautiful icons.

It is what is in the heart of the person, that reflects in their creation and the job they do.

If the group exists simply to ensure that people are treated equally, that's one thing.  If the organization, however, promotes this lifestyle and wishes to "push" it on the society and make it "normal" and accepted and even embraced....then this is not good.
I actually do not work for HRC.  I work for another group which is presently doing canvassing for HRC; specifically, for the HRC campaign to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which will end the lawful firing of people because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.  If pregnant women should be unable to be fired simply for being pregnant (which is the case under federal law), I see no reason why the same should not be true of gay people
If this is really what it does, I say good for them. 

I am with Liza on this.  Equality is something we should strive for, but sadly, in far too many cases, we see this "equality" abused for the promotion of a lifestyle.  Far too often, we see special provisions created, which in fact, promote an unequal environment.  As long as a person’s private life in no way affects their professional life, it should not be held against them in any way.  However, when it does, well, they really have nothing to complain about.  People seem to forget a business also has the right to run itself the way it wants, to protect it from certain problems, and to require certain things from its employees.  As long as it is standard for everyone, I see no problems with that either.  For instance, if on Friday, Mr. Anderson left his 8th grade science classroom where he teaches, and Monday arrived as Ms. Anderson, the school has the right to effectively deal with the issue.  There are more things in play than Mr. Andersons desire to be a woman.  But were they simply to find out, through no fault or improper action of Mr. Anderson, he were a homosexual (i.e., he never mentioned it, lived in another nearby town where none of the students lived, didn’t get posted on YouTube for doing something stupid, etc.) and they fired him, yes, that is a problem.

There are literally limitless scenarios possible.  The bottom line is, if it is a REAL discrimination, not what people now days THINK is discrimination, protect the person’s rights.  If that is what is being accomplished by this organization you work for, fantastic.  If it steps, even slightly, outside of those boundaries, shame on everyone involved.
 
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