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Vlad said:
Very beautiful. Who is the Saint in the middle between Christ and the Theotokos?
My patron and protector: Venerable Matthew, Clairvoyant of the Kiev Caves.
 

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Alveus Lacuna said:
Vlad said:
Very beautiful. Who is the Saint in the middle between Christ and the Theotokos?
My patron and protector: Venerable Matthew, Clairvoyant of the Kiev Caves.
Beautiful icon.  Have you just had it painted?  IIRC, you were asking for information about his icon several months back.  Looks like you found a very good iconographer.
 

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Irish Hermit said:
Beautiful icon.  Have you just had it painted?  IIRC, you were asking for information about his icon several months back.  Looks like you found a very good iconographer.
I had it commissioned about five months ago, and I got it in the mail just recently.  At some point I will take it to the university with me so that I can scan the image for display.  When I do, I'll resurrect that thread.
 

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augustin717 said:
These are all nice&dandy, but, traditionally, Orthodox laity-overwhelmingly peasant, illiterate and poor-never had such a cornucopia of religious artifacts.
Not at home, but they had the bountiful and supportive cornucopia of living in a culture saturated with Orthodoxy.    The churches everywhere, the monasteries, the monks and nuns, the pilgrimages, the holy relics and the holy shrines to visit, the beauty of the church services, the support of the yearly cycle of feast and fasts, the feeling that they were all of them fasting and feasting together.    It was, and still is in Orthodox countries, a very rich Orthodox lifestyle.

People in the West who lack that can make an effort to incorporate some of it into their daily lives by building up a beautiful icon corner or even turning a garden shed into a tiny chapel.
 

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Irish Hermit said:
augustin717 said:
These are all nice&dandy, but, traditionally, Orthodox laity-overwhelmingly peasant, illiterate and poor-never had such a cornucopia of religious artifacts.
Not at home, but they had the bountiful and supportive cornucopia of living in a culture saturated with Orthodoxy.    The churches everywhere, the monasteries, the monks and nuns, the pilgrimages, the holy relics and the holy shrines to visit, the beauty of the church services, the support of the yearly cycle of feast and fasts, the feeling that they were all of them fasting and feasting together.    It was, and still is in Orthodox countries, a very rich Orthodox lifestyle.

People in the West who lack that can make an effort to incorporate some of it into their daily lives by building up a beautiful icon corner or even turning a garden shed into a tiny chapel.
That's a wonderful way of looking at it, Father!  Thank you for this insight! :)
 

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To all who shared photos-they are lovely.

To Augustin: I understand you too. I lived in Eastern Europe for several years and visited many homes, both urban and rural. Now I live here in North America and very poorly, very simply, with no higher education or degrees of any sort. Not everyone is middle-class here, believe it or not.
 

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Alveus Lacuna said:
Vlad said:
Very beautiful. Who is the Saint in the middle between Christ and the Theotokos?
My patron and protector: Venerable Matthew, Clairvoyant of the Kiev Caves.
Very nice, I'll have to look him up.
 

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So, some of the icons that I had ordered in December arrived yesterday. I still have a large Christ/Theotokos diptych coming, though Light N Life didn't have it in stock when I ordered it, so that might be a couple more weeks. I also need to call and purchase an additional five icons today. At least I have some to pray in front of now.



I know it's silly, that we don't need icons to pray, but I guess I got used to doing it that way over the years. For me, it somehow adds weight to an attempt to get into at least a semi-consistent prayer rule. The icons are of the Theotokos, Jesus Christ, a Guardian Angel, and on the bottom row St. Gregory the Theologian and St. James of Jerusalem. As I mentioned, I have a diptych coming for the table. I still have to order icons of St. Justin Popovich (my patron saint), the seven ecumenical councils, the ladder of divine ascent, St. Mary of Egypt (my wife's patron saint), and a cross for the high shelf.
 
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People in the West who lack that can make an effort to incorporate some of it into their daily lives by building up a beautiful icon corner or even turning a garden shed into a tiny chapel.
A member of my family's parish many years ago turned her garage into a tiny chapel. Over the years, she added many icons, and eventually had an iconostasis built. After she died, the chapel was given to a small mission, and has become a full thriving Antiochian parish. What was originally the home is now the parish hall, and the garage has been expanded upon to hold the parish.

So you see, one person's piety eventually gave birth to an entire community. :)
 

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HandmaidenofGod said:
Irish Hermit said:
People in the West who lack that can make an effort to incorporate some of it into their daily lives by building up a beautiful icon corner or even turning a garden shed into a tiny chapel.
A member of my family's parish many years ago turned her garage into a tiny chapel. Over the years, she added many icons, and eventually had an iconostasis built. After she died, the chapel was given to a small mission, and has become a full thriving Antiochian parish. What was originally the home is now the parish hall, and the garage has been expanded upon to hold the parish.

So you see, one person's piety eventually gave birth to an entire community. :)
Awesome Story.
 

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HandmaidenofGod said:
Irish Hermit said:
People in the West who lack that can make an effort to incorporate some of it into their daily lives by building up a beautiful icon corner or even turning a garden shed into a tiny chapel.
A member of my family's parish many years ago turned her garage into a tiny chapel. Over the years, she added many icons, and eventually had an iconostasis built. After she died, the chapel was given to a small mission, and has become a full thriving Antiochian parish. What was originally the home is now the parish hall, and the garage has been expanded upon to hold the parish.

So you see, one person's piety eventually gave birth to an entire community. :)
Thanks for sharing this story.  I just noticed it, and it's a really great story.
 

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Alveus Lacuna said:
Hey!  Would you mind reposted the two photos that are no longer available via the link?  I'm moving into a new apartment in the next couple weeks and the set up of my current icon corner won't fit in my new space.  Since I'm having to rearrange things so much already I wanted to take the time to kind of redesign my icon corner and I had really been impressed by the beauty of yours and so was wanting to use it as a model.  Thanks!
 

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This was mine at my old residence.  I've got a new arrangement but no photos yet.  Hope this is helpful to you.

http://picasaweb.google.com/astyanax5/Icons#5363331985453509618
that's beautiful!  I'll post a picture of mine here soon.  I LOVE the guardian angel icon, on the middle row, left.  I'm getting a smaller print of that same icon for my mother for her birthday.  it's at church, "cooking' (being blessed) on the altar right now.
 

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this is mine.  it's not too big, but it serves as a very good place for me to focus my attention on God and holy topics.  the little cross on the lower left is a cross that a woman (85+) at church crochet for me.  (I think she was a bit sad that I didn't pick her as my godmother, but I love her just as much!)  I also have the small irish cross with St. Patric in the middle, as I'm 1/8 irish, and would love to have a bit of that represented in my faith.  I really am thankful that my mother lets me have these up in my bedroom!



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trevor72694 said:
this is mine.  it's not too big, but it serves as a very good place for me to focus my attention on God and holy topics.  the little cross on the lower left is a cross that a woman (85+) at church crochet for me.  (I think she was a bit sad that I didn't pick her as my godmother, but I love her just as much!)  I also have the small irish cross with St. Patric in the middle, as I'm 1/8 irish, and would love to have a bit of that represented in my faith.  I really am thankful that my mother lets me have these up in my bedroom!
I remember the story of a young man and his mother and an icon corner....

When he became Orthodox he kept begging icons from me to take home for his icon corner.  But then I had phone call from his mother... "We can't stand it any more. He keeps us awake all night.  Are you teaching him to do this?"

It turned out that he loved to pray for quite a long time and he would chant his prayers out loud in a stentorian voice and the family could not get to sleep.

Well, now he has been a monk for 17 years and a very good one.    Don't know if he keeps the other monks awake with his loud praying.  :laugh:
 

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Irish Hermit said:
trevor72694 said:
this is mine.  it's not too big, but it serves as a very good place for me to focus my attention on God and holy topics.  the little cross on the lower left is a cross that a woman (85+) at church crochet for me.  (I think she was a bit sad that I didn't pick her as my godmother, but I love her just as much!)  I also have the small irish cross with St. Patric in the middle, as I'm 1/8 irish, and would love to have a bit of that represented in my faith.  I really am thankful that my mother lets me have these up in my bedroom!
I remember the story of a young man and his mother and an icon corner....

When he became Orthodox he kept begging icons from me to take home for his icon corner.  But then I had phone call from his mother... "We can't stand it any more. He keeps us awake all night.  Are you teaching him to do this?"

It turned out that he loved to pray for quite a long time and he would chant his prayers out loud in a stentorian voice and the family could not get to sleep.

Well, now he has been a monk for 17 years and a very good one.    Don't know if he keeps the other monks awake with his loud praying.  :laugh:
:D :Dthat's a funny story!  I sometimes wonder if I wake up my mom and sister when I say my evening prayers...I find that I focus better if I chant them. 
 

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trevor72694 said:
this is mine.  it's not too big, but it serves as a very good place for me to focus my attention on God and holy topics.  the little cross on the lower left is a cross that a woman (85+) at church crochet for me.  (I think she was a bit sad that I didn't pick her as my godmother, but I love her just as much!)  I also have the small irish cross with St. Patric in the middle, as I'm 1/8 irish, and would love to have a bit of that represented in my faith.  I really am thankful that my mother lets me have these up in my bedroom!
thats beautiful Trevor :)
 

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thanks!  it can't really compare to most people's I've seen, though!  here is a larger picture.  I'm still having troiuble learning how to post pictures on here.  I guess I'll learn in time.


http://s718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/trevor72694/?action-view&current=IMG00069-20100427-2305.jpg
 

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trevor72694 said:
thanks!  it can't really compare to most people's I've seen, though!  here is a larger picture.  I'm still having troiuble learning how to post pictures on here.  I guess I'll learn in time.


http://s718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/trevor72694/?action-view&current=IMG00069-20100427-2305.jpg
For the image, but
after. It will then show up here - or you can just post the link without any tags.
 

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trevor72694 said:
thanks!  it can't really compare to most people's I've seen, though!  here is a larger picture.  I'm still having troiuble learning how to post pictures on here.  I guess I'll learn in time.


http://s718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/trevor72694/?action-view&current=IMG00069-20100427-2305.jpg
Here is how to post pictures which are on websites...

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13445.msg185934.html#msg185934


 

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thanks so much, Irish Hermit!  such a great resource!  I'll bookmark it!
 

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thanks so much, Irish Hermit!  such a great resource!  I'll bookmark it!
Where do you get these items?

I need a good resource, and so far the only one i like is orthodoxgoods.com :p
 

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Vzldrb said:
trevor72694 said:



thanks so much, Irish Hermit!  such a great resource!  I'll bookmark it!
Where do you get these items?

I need a good resource, and so far the only one i like is orthodoxgoods.com :p
I got a majority of my icons from my parish bookstore, who got them from skete.com (a GREAT website for icons).  the cross was made by a wood-working priest in Colorado Springs.  the two cards on the wall, to the right, are (top) St. Benjamin, from my local bishop's ordination, and (below that) is St. Brannock, from a baptism in my parish last month.  when I go to Orthodox churches, I like to buy an icon or something, as a momento of the church.    you should also try this. 


www.skete.com
www.archangelsbooks.com
www.orthodoxiconsonline.com

and I'm sure you could find some on ebay or Amazon.com if you look carefully.  also, ask a priest, he will be a good resource for things like this.
 

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HandmaidenofGod said:
Irish Hermit said:
People in the West who lack that can make an effort to incorporate some of it into their daily lives by building up a beautiful icon corner or even turning a garden shed into a tiny chapel.
A member of my family's parish many years ago turned her garage into a tiny chapel. Over the years, she added many icons, and eventually had an iconostasis built. After she died, the chapel was given to a small mission, and has become a full thriving Antiochian parish. What was originally the home is now the parish hall, and the garage has been expanded upon to hold the parish.

So you see, one person's piety eventually gave birth to an entire community. :)
what an inspiring story!  I've read that in pre-revolutionary Russia, families would have rooms preserved exclusively for prayer with candles, icons, you name it.  and it was also custom (I've read) to venerate the patron of the family's icon before greeting the family, when you enter their home.
 

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Most didn't have any "rooms preserved exclusively for prayer with candles, icons"; only the upper classes, probably, a tiny percentage of the population.
But in the American (and not only) suburbs things are possible that previously, would have only been within the reach of very few.
 

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Newly chrismated convert here. While ideally I'd like to create an icon corner, I live in a tiny two room rented flat/apartment, already very full of furniture, bookshelves and a couple of pictures on almost every wall. I had to have the landlord's permission when I moved in to put nails in the walls for the pictures, and will have to make good the holes if I move out.

I'm embarrassed because my sponsor gave me a large white embroidered cloth and a fake-brass with red glass oil-lamp. I managed to say no to a purple fake-brass incense burner because I do already have one in solid brass. Frankly I don't like either of these items; they are simply not my taste. Also the cloth is too big for any surface I could use for icons and I don't trust myself to learn how to care for the oil-lamp. I often have to leave in a hurry and feel safer continuing to use beeswax candles lit only when I'm praying. Would it be considered very offensive to give these back with these excuses?

I have put a couple of icons, Bible and prayer-book on a stand where my television was (before I gave it away). On a dark red cloth with the candles and the incense burner they look good but it doesn't make much of a corner. And it's not ideal as the only power-point in the room is behind it. I'm reluctant to make more holes in the walls (and can't do it myself anyway as I have no drill).

I have made room for one icon of my patron saint on a very small table in my bedroom, with a low candlestick in front of it, but there's really no room for more.

Do other converts here face similar problems in making room in their homes for an 'icon corner'?


 

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Go to an art-supply store and see if you can find a product called Mount-It (or something like that.  It's a moldable substance that you can put on the rear corners of an icon and then stick it to the wall; holds pretty good, though I wouldn't trust it with a really large icon.
 
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Clare G. said:
Newly chrismated convert here. While ideally I'd like to create an icon corner, I live in a tiny two room rented flat/apartment, already very full of furniture, bookshelves and a couple of pictures on almost every wall. I had to have the landlord's permission when I moved in to put nails in the walls for the pictures, and will have to make good the holes if I move out.

I'm embarrassed because my sponsor gave me a large white embroidered cloth and a fake-brass with red glass oil-lamp. I managed to say no to a purple fake-brass incense burner because I do already have one in solid brass. Frankly I don't like either of these items; they are simply not my taste. Also the cloth is too big for any surface I could use for icons and I don't trust myself to learn how to care for the oil-lamp. I often have to leave in a hurry and feel safer continuing to use beeswax candles lit only when I'm praying. Would it be considered very offensive to give these back with these excuses?

I have put a couple of icons, Bible and prayer-book on a stand where my television was (before I gave it away). On a dark red cloth with the candles and the incense burner they look good but it doesn't make much of a corner. And it's not ideal as the only power-point in the room is behind it. I'm reluctant to make more holes in the walls (and can't do it myself anyway as I have no drill).

I have made room for one icon of my patron saint on a very small table in my bedroom, with a low candlestick in front of it, but there's really no room for more.

Do other converts here face similar problems in making room in their homes for an 'icon corner'?
Hi Clare!

Christ is Risen!

Welcome to the nuthouse forum!  ;)

Don't worry about setting up an elaborate icon corner. It sounds like you have an icon in your bedroom, you have your prayer books, that is plenty.

Should you decide to add more icons in the future (or if someone gives one to you as a gift), rather than mounting it on the wall, you could use something like this mini easel to prop it up on a table/dresser/desk.

In regards to the gifts from your sponsor, I would not give them back. I think they would be very offended, and there's really no gracious way to return them. Perhaps you know of someone else who would make good use of them and would appreciate them?

If not, I would just tuck them away in a corner until you can find someone to give them to.

 

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I know it's silly, that we don't need icons to pray, but I guess I got used to doing it that way over the years. For me, it somehow adds weight to an attempt to get into at least a semi-consistent prayer rule. The icons are of the Theotokos, Jesus Christ, a Guardian Angel, and on the bottom row St. Gregory the Theologian and St. James of Jerusalem. As I mentioned, I have a diptych coming for the table. I still have to order icons of St. Justin Popovich (my patron saint), the seven ecumenical councils, the ladder of divine ascent, St. Mary of Egypt (my wife's patron saint), and a cross for the high shelf.
Where'd you get those shelves? (or, alternatively, how did you make them?) I need to get some of these myself.
 

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Go to an art-supply store and see if you can find a product called Mount-It (or something like that.  It's a moldable substance that you can put on the rear corners of an icon and then stick it to the wall; holds pretty good, though I wouldn't trust it with a really large icon.
Mount-It, Blu-tack and UHU-Stic all have the ability to bleed an oily substance into the paint on the wall, especially if the paint is a water-based flat finish (the most common type of wall paint used in "dry" areas). While nowhere near as destructive as drilling holes in the walls, the landlord might not appreciate having to touch up the wall paint. Check with him first. If nothing else, best to put your icons on an existing shelf, or a table, or bedside cabinet.
 

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Where'd you get those shelves? (or, alternatively, how did you make them?) I need to get some of these myself.
I got both at Lowe's Home Improvement. I think the top shelf was about $10 and the floor shelving unit was about $35.

EDIT--I've added a few icons since my last pic, and I'm still waiting on a couple icons to arrive...

 

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HandmaidenofGod said:
nuthouse[/s] forum!  ;)

Don't worry about setting up an elaborate icon corner. It sounds like you have an icon in your bedroom, you have your prayer books, that is plenty.

Should you decide to add more icons in the future (or if someone gives one to you as a gift), rather than mounting it on the wall, you could use something like this mini easel to prop it up on a table/dresser/desk.

In regards to the gifts from your sponsor, I would not give them back. I think they would be very offended, and there's really no gracious way to return them. Perhaps you know of someone else who would make good use of them and would appreciate them?

If not, I would just tuck them away in a corner until you can find someone to give them to.
Truly He is risen.
Thanks for the quick response and the very good advice. I think you are right about causing offence. And I'll have a look locally for icon stands like those.
 

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Clare G. said:
Newly chrismated convert here. While ideally I'd like to create an icon corner, I live in a tiny two room rented flat/apartment, already very full of furniture, bookshelves and a couple of pictures on almost every wall. I had to have the landlord's permission when I moved in to put nails in the walls for the pictures, and will have to make good the holes if I move out.

I'm embarrassed because my sponsor gave me a large white embroidered cloth and a fake-brass with red glass oil-lamp. I managed to say no to a purple fake-brass incense burner because I do already have one in solid brass. Frankly I don't like either of these items; they are simply not my taste. Also the cloth is too big for any surface I could use for icons and I don't trust myself to learn how to care for the oil-lamp. I often have to leave in a hurry and feel safer continuing to use beeswax candles lit only when I'm praying. Would it be considered very offensive to give these back with these excuses?

I have put a couple of icons, Bible and prayer-book on a stand where my television was (before I gave it away). On a dark red cloth with the candles and the incense burner they look good but it doesn't make much of a corner. And it's not ideal as the only power-point in the room is behind it. I'm reluctant to make more holes in the walls (and can't do it myself anyway as I have no drill).

I have made room for one icon of my patron saint on a very small table in my bedroom, with a low candlestick in front of it, but there's really no room for more.

Do other converts here face similar problems in making room in their homes for an 'icon corner'?
Hi Clare. I would strongly advise against returning the gifts, as it could very easily cause offense. If you don't find them to your taste, just keep them for the memory of your chrismation. Besides, it's the thought that counts, not whether or not you can or want to make use of them. I have often found myself in similar dilemmas... I really think that the best thing to do is to be grateful, appreciative and polite, and then never use the gift. :p Just don't tell them that, hehe.

I would love to have an icon corner, but my family is non-Orthodox and they would find it extremely strange, and it would cause problems. My family would tolerate it, but my friends would not. If I had friends over I would have to hide the icons to avoid persecution. My current strategy is to just keep them hidden in various drawers and take them out for when I am praying alone. 

 

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Feanor said:
Clare G. said:
Newly chrismated convert here. While ideally I'd like to create an icon corner, I live in a tiny two room rented flat/apartment, already very full of furniture, bookshelves and a couple of pictures on almost every wall. I had to have the landlord's permission when I moved in to put nails in the walls for the pictures, and will have to make good the holes if I move out.

I'm embarrassed because my sponsor gave me a large white embroidered cloth and a fake-brass with red glass oil-lamp. I managed to say no to a purple fake-brass incense burner because I do already have one in solid brass. Frankly I don't like either of these items; they are simply not my taste. Also the cloth is too big for any surface I could use for icons and I don't trust myself to learn how to care for the oil-lamp. I often have to leave in a hurry and feel safer continuing to use beeswax candles lit only when I'm praying. Would it be considered very offensive to give these back with these excuses?

I have put a couple of icons, Bible and prayer-book on a stand where my television was (before I gave it away). On a dark red cloth with the candles and the incense burner they look good but it doesn't make much of a corner. And it's not ideal as the only power-point in the room is behind it. I'm reluctant to make more holes in the walls (and can't do it myself anyway as I have no drill).

I have made room for one icon of my patron saint on a very small table in my bedroom, with a low candlestick in front of it, but there's really no room for more.

Do other converts here face similar problems in making room in their homes for an 'icon corner'?
Hi Clare. I would strongly advise against returning the gifts, as it could very easily cause offense. If you don't find them to your taste, just keep them for the memory of your chrismation. Besides, it's the thought that counts, not whether or not you can or want to make use of them. I have often found myself in similar dilemmas... I really think that the best thing to do is to be grateful, appreciative and polite, and then never use the gift. :p Just don't tell them that, hehe.

I would love to have an icon corner, but my family is non-Orthodox and they would find it extremely strange, and it would cause problems. My family would tolerate it, but my friends would not. If I had friends over I would have to hide the icons to avoid persecution. My current strategy is to just keep them hidden in various drawers and take them out for when I am praying alone. 
What about these persucussions worries you? Do they not know that you are Eastern Orthodox?
 
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Feanor said:
I would love to have an icon corner, but my family is non-Orthodox and they would find it extremely strange, and it would cause problems. My family would tolerate it, but my friends would not. If I had friends over I would have to hide the icons to avoid persecution. My current strategy is to just keep them hidden in various drawers and take them out for when I am praying alone.
I don't think people will make as big of a deal as you think they would over your icons. In the past (when I had my own apartment) I had friends over all the time, and no one ever commented about my icons or prayer corner.

If they do ask about it, look at it as an opportunity to tell them about Orthodoxy and the saint that is portrayed in the icon. Or you can simply say "I use it for when I pray." Most intelligent people with any respect towards humanity will respect you for praying (even if they don't pray themselves) and will shut up about it.

Even if your friends were to laugh at you, if your friends are laughing at your faith, are they truly your friends? Christ tells us we are to expect persecution; not avoid it.

I would suggest discussing this matter with your Spiritual Father, as he would be able to advise you appropriately how to handle the situation.
 
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