The problem is that the Definition of the Third Ecumenical Council is the deposition of Nestorius.Mardukm said:More correctly, Christological statements are matters of Faith. Anathemas on PERSONS are not matters of faith, but are ecclesiastical censures. Your own lack of distinction on the matter is probably one of the reasons the EOC as a whole has not been able to come to any Christological Agreements with the OOC. This distinction is the reason the Fifth Ecumenical Council was able to contradict the Fourth Ecumenical Council on the matter of Theodore, Theodoret and Ibas, without damage to the THEOLOGICAL and DOCTRINAL authority of the Fourth Ecumenical Council.ialmisry said:Hmmm. In our theology Christological statements and anathemas based on them are matters of Faith.Mardukm said:Aren't you aware of the object of infallibility? FAITH AND MORALS. It does not include ecclesiastical censures, or matters of discipline, or matters of pracitce, or sports, or science, etc. ,etc.ialmisry said:Yes, you claim this often: any thing to substantiate the claim?
If you want to discuss the Christological Agreements between the OOC and the CC, then start another thread.
Strict Nestorianism (that does not admit the divine and human hypostasis) is a heresy. The Church will anathematize a person if she believes that certain person adhered to that teaching. But if it is later determined that the person does not actually hold to that belief, the anathema on that person is lifted, though the heresy itself will always be a heresy.So Nestorianism is OK, huh?
And what did the Fourth Council say about Theodore, Theodoret and Ibas that was contradicted by the Fifth? Except that, for instance, Theodoret paid lip service to the Third Council at the Fourth, and was exposed at the Fifth.
As for the Orientals, you know, the ones in communion with the Coptic Orthodox Pope, we have several agreements.
On a more important agreement:
http://www.suscopts.org/q&a/index.php?qid=1109&catid=45Does a Catholic or a Protestant (Lutheran) have to be baptized in the Coptic Orthodox Church to be able to marry in the Orthodox Church?
A Catholic or a Protestant of any denomination (not just Lutheran) has to be baptized in the Coptic Orthodox faith. The Coptic Church has recognized the holy Mystery of Baptism of the Oriental Orthodox Churches (Syrian, Armenian, Ethiopian, Eritrean and the (Indian) Malankara). In addition, we have recently made an agreement with the Eastern Orthodox Church to accept each other's Baptism. One is baptized according to the faith of the Church he/she is joining. Since the Protestant do not believe in the same doctrines we believe in, (Infant baptism, Holy Sacraments, the position of St. Mary and her perpetual virginity, icons, candles, etc.) their baptism is not recognized in our Church.
http://www.suscopts.org/q&a/index.php?qid=1108&catid=45Does the Coptic Orthodox Church consider Chaldean Catholic Baptism valid?
The Chaldean Catholic Church is affiliated to the Roman Catholic Church accepting the dogmas of the Catholic faith and the Pope of Rome as the supreme head of the church. The Coptic Orthodox Church does not accept many of the dogmas of the Roman Catholic such as the Immaculate Conception, the filioque, the purgatory, the supremacy of the Pope of Rome, etc. When one is baptized in a certain denomination he/she is baptized according to the faith of that particular Church, vowing to accept and embrace all her dogmas. Consequently, a person baptized in the Chaldean Catholic Church does not hold the same faith as one baptized in the Coptic Orthodox Church. Therefore, his/her baptism is invalid in the Coptic Church.