- Mar 13, 2009
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I think that Andriu and you are in the same page. He was reiterating what he thinks is the anabaptist position.FountainPen said:A ritual of external action can be as real, spiritual and full of grace in the heart of the individual performing the action and the rest of the congregation who witness it.Aindriú said:It also assumes that Baptism doesn't convey any Grace, and/or have any function beyond a ritual of external action. That is, it is something we do merely because Jesus told us to, and not because it is physically(spiritually) beneficial to us.mountainman said:David, your observations are very reasonable . It is true that faith and repentance are required prior to baptism. That is why the child has godparents. Their faith and repentance commends the child to God. If this seems strange to you, it is perhaps because you overemphasize or even idolize individuality within the Body. It seems to me that everything we do in the orthodox church is a participation in something larger than ourselves, including salvation. As we are resurrected together, so we are saved together. Likewise, the baptism of one into the body of Christ is a reliving or a re-experience of baptism for all those who participate. In fact, we really don't do anything alone. I think the reality of this is only made plain through participation and cannot be properly understood "reasonably".
You're the one who's making the assumptions.